Rumors Pam111 Ultimate

[Nick2T]

Hi Friends,

I just heard some rumors that there will be an Ultimate Pam111 next month!

Looks like they upgraded the dial and hands, the crystal... in other words the overal look of it!

But not only the looks of it, also the movenment!

I just ask some more information on my dealer, so when I have some more Info,

I will be gladly to pass this information through!

Maybe you' experts, heard some more about it?

[Whatever123]

I doubt they will ever get the movement even remotely right. Look at the LH PAMs, even that movement is way off...

But apart from that it's still good news. IMO better lume and CG would be neccesary.

[Drulee]

I'm not holding my breath

[Watchmeister]

I would not hold your breath on that one but I would love to be proven wrong.

[Eton]

Yeah, I don't see it anytime soon, unfortunately!

[w0lf]

pam187 and Cartier chronos next.

[AmStaFF]

pam187 and Cartier chronos next.

i'm waiting for the new 187

any more infos about this bigboy?

[txcollector]

I doubt any 111 rep will be decent. BTW, this rumor has been around since Jan.

The 187 is great news and logical next step for the 7753 based PAMs. I'm anxiously waiting for it.

[fishgodeep]

My money is on it being true, given the efforts on the new Daylights , the obvious choice for a volume line would be a 1:1 copy of a K or L series handwound.

I'm sure they can achieve a "Swiss" standard of finish on the movement, just have to hope they care about those details the way we do.

Have also heard the rumblings that it will be 177 first, commercially holding the the real volume selling 111 back a while.

Again that makes sense with the short delay on 196 162 etc with the Daylights

So many easy options if they get the 111 case set copied accurately - 000,005,112,176, 360 ......it is a no brainer to invest in 1 gen model to yield so many new options

Just my 2p

FGD

[hotbody77]

If there will be an updated 187 i

[txcollector]

I'm sure they can achieve a "Swiss" standard of finish on the movement, just have to hope they care about those details the way we do.

The issue is cost not capability. LH spends a lot of money to refinish the bridges and it's not 100%. Closed casebacks are a lot cheaper to manufacture and their profit will be higher.

I doubt we will see anything great if it comes out.

[Ztech]

I would love to see this, but I won't be holding my breath.

[PeteM]

There are few PAMs coming before the end of the year...... Whether they meet the term Ultimate is another question!!

[serious]

Just curious, the rumour source is from?

[Nick2T]

Welcome Serious,

The source is from a personal "friend" who used to be my dealer here in Belgium!

After I found out the trusted dealers section here on RWG, I refuse to buy from him because of

his prices, for an example; you can buy the Ultimate Rolex DSSD for 388$, while he is selling them for

600

[Lobster]

why do they put AR on the crystal in the first place? although the gen has very slight AR, it is barely noticeable and not a deal breaker.

they should leave the AR and focus on getting the crown, crownguard and dial corrected and "ultimate". it is usually a clear giveaway, regardless how frankenistic you pammed out your pam, if the crystal reflects this crazy blue/purple AR, it looks fake...

[Whatever123]

Not neccesarily... There are gens that have quite strong blue AR, e.g. the G series. It's not the same on all PAMs!

[serious]

Welcome Serious,

The source is from a personal "friend" who used to be my dealer here in Belgium!

After I found out the trusted dealers section here on RWG, I refuse to buy from him because of

his prices, for an example; you can buy the Ultimate Rolex DSSD for 388$, while he is selling them for

600

[txcollector]

I just had an update about what will be approved on the PAM111;

Better CG, better lume, better crystal (less blue shine like the ultimate PAM088, PAM104, etc.,

the movement will have a better finish!

That's interesting because all the rumors started with a dial and that's not on the list

[Nick2T]

Oops forget to mention that, thanks txcollector

Yeah, 600€ for a DSSD but wait when you see his prices for an AP or Hublot!

I'm not holding my breath for this one! He told me last Christmas he will suprise me at the

summer holiday with the Ultimat PAM111, but then it delayed again!

That's why I started this topic, see if the rumors are true?

[Drulee]

Perhaps if we started providing the sources to the rumours we've heard.

I'll start ..

The only rumour I am familiar with, accompanied by a picture, was that of an L series 111 sandwich dial. ToroBravo, over on RG, started a thread in January of 2010, which included the picture. Originally he speculated that it would be released after the Chinese New Year. Lots more speculation in that thread, and misinformation (including a post where txcollector said that the A7753 was already readily available ). Anyway, the thread petered out one month later.

As far as I know that is the only source of the rumoured 111, backed up by a picture. But if anyone else can cite some sources, and provide links, I'd be interested.

[txcollector]

including a post where txcollector said that the A7753 was already readily available

yep, I was fooled too. I guess something got lost in the translation. My dealer probably assumed as "readily available" the fact the A7753 movement was ready and being worked on the new PAMs.

[Drulee]

figured I'd rib you a bit about it