calatrava Posted October 14, 2011 Report Share Posted October 14, 2011 The group shot. Patek Philippe Calatrava 5127 (Asian ETA 2824-2 clone) Patek Philippe Calatrava 5127 (Asian 21J Automatic) Patek Philippe Calatrava 5119 (Asian 21J Manual) Patek Philippe Calatrava 3520D (Quartz) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zaza Posted October 19, 2011 Report Share Posted October 19, 2011 Nice collection, but the design is very simple. How does a gen. like this justify the very expensive price I guess I'll never get a convincing answer.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calatrava Posted October 19, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 19, 2011 What would you consider to be an example of a watch which justifies a MSRP of $20K? Do you consider the $8K MSRP of a Rolex Submariner to be reasonable? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zaza Posted October 19, 2011 Report Share Posted October 19, 2011 At least the Submariner is an iconic legacy, and it's Automatic. Besides, Rolex is more than a watch. You're talking about the undisputed Crown of Achievement I've seen very basic PP Quartz Calatravas in preowned condition selling for $6k and above on eBay, I wonder what PP GREATEST achievement is other than pumping auctions and buying back their own models to be displayed in their PP museum in Geneva. Still unjustifiably overpriced to me.. Best, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calatrava Posted October 19, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 19, 2011 (edited) At least the Submariner is an iconic legacy, and it's Automatic. Besides, Rolex is more than a watch. You're talking about the undisputed Crown of Achievement I've seen very basic PP Quartz Calatravas in preowned condition selling for $6k and above on eBay, I wonder what PP GREATEST achievement is other than pumping auctions and buying back their own models to be displayed in their PP museum in Geneva. Still unjustifiably overpriced to me.. Best, Wow, I don't know where to begin. Patek pioneered the wrist-watch (1868), and received patents for the keyless watch (1845), perpetual calendar (1889), double chronograph (1902), gyromax balance (1952), first quartz watch (1959)... the list goes on. Look Rolex has its own share of horological achievements, most notably for the first truly waterproof and dust proof watch, but both Patek and Rolex are unjustifiably overpriced, and much of this is driven by marketing. It's fine if you think a Patek is overpriced, but most watch experts would consider the Patek Calatrava to be the quintessential dress watch. By their very nature, dress watches are supposed to be understated and elegant. The price is in the quality of the finish of the case, and the movement. Maybe in your social circle, the Rolex is the undisputed crown of achievement, but there are many who would consider a Rolex to be declasse, and this is why Carla Bruni gave Nicolas Sarkozy a Patek Philippe to replace his gold Rolex Presidential when they got married. Look, it's clear from each of our respective avatars where our tastes lie. I'm willing to concede that a Patek is overpriced but I don't think it is any more overpriced than a Rolex. I think you're primarily responding to the genre of dress watches in general, and I assume they don't appeal to you. But not every $20K watch has to be a 18K gold watch and bracelet, or something studded with diamonds, to justify its cost. The reality is that all luxury watches are overpriced in their own way, and indeed, this is part of their appeal. Edited October 19, 2011 by calatrava 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest zeleni kukuruz Posted October 19, 2011 Report Share Posted October 19, 2011 Wow, I don't know where to begin. Patek pioneered the wrist-watch (1868), and received patents for the keyless watch (1845), perpetual calendar (1889), double chronograph (1902), gyromax balance (1952), first quartz watch (1959)... the list goes on. Look Rolex has its own share of horological achievements, most notably for the first truly waterproof and dust proof watch, but both Patek and Rolex are unjustifiably overpriced, and much of this is driven by marketing. It's fine if you think a Patek is overpriced, but most watch experts would consider the Patek Calatrava to be the quintessential dress watch. By their very nature, dress watches are supposed to be understated and elegant. The price is in the quality of the finish of the case, and the movement. Maybe in your social circle, the Rolex is the undisputed crown of achievement, but there are many who would consider a Rolex to be declasse, and this is why Carla Bruni gave Nicolas Sarkozy a Patek Philippe to replace his gold Rolex Presidential when they got married. Look, it's clear from each of our respective avatars where our tastes lie. I'm willing to concede that a Patek is overpriced but I don't think it is any more overpriced than a Rolex. I think you're primarily responding to the genre of dress watches in general, and I assume they don't appeal to you. But not every $20K watch has to be a 18K gold watch and bracelet, or something studded with diamonds, to justify its cost. The reality is that all luxury watches are overpriced in their own way, and indeed, this is part of their appeal. +1 I think Za is smoking some Bad [censored] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mbjoer Posted October 19, 2011 Report Share Posted October 19, 2011 (edited) Wow, I don't know where to begin. Patek pioneered the wrist-watch (1868), and received patents for the keyless watch (1845), perpetual calendar (1889), double chronograph (1902), gyromax balance (1952), first quartz watch (1959)... the list goes on. Look Rolex has its own share of horological achievements, most notably for the first truly waterproof and dust proof watch, but both Patek and Rolex are unjustifiably overpriced, and much of this is driven by marketing. It's fine if you think a Patek is overpriced, but most watch experts would consider the Patek Calatrava to be the quintessential dress watch. By their very nature, dress watches are supposed to be understated and elegant. The price is in the quality of the finish of the case, and the movement. Maybe in your social circle, the Rolex is the undisputed crown of achievement, but there are many who would consider a Rolex to be declasse, and this is why Carla Bruni gave Nicolas Sarkozy a Patek Philippe to replace his gold Rolex Presidential when they got married. Look, it's clear from each of our respective avatars where our tastes lie. I'm willing to concede that a Patek is overpriced but I don't think it is any more overpriced than a Rolex. I think you're primarily responding to the genre of dress watches in general, and I assume they don't appeal to you. But not every $20K watch has to be a 18K gold watch and bracelet, or something studded with diamonds, to justify its cost. The reality is that all luxury watches are overpriced in their own way, and indeed, this is part of their appeal. I agree. Rolex crowns achievement like a BMW crowns achievement. It is a great and recognisable brand + excellent quality. But pretty far from the top. There is no doubt that Patek is a very classy watch. The detailing has to be experienced at close hand and does not show well on most pictures. I fear that many members here only really know the reps of Patek. But remember that even within the rep-world most of these are from the lower end. Low volume and low price makes it hard to make a close rep. If I could afford it, I would prefer the Gen Patek over the Gen Rolex. In the rep world it is the other way round. Rolex reps have the advantage of economy of scale. Thus they can be a much bigger bang for the buck than a rep Patek. Edited October 19, 2011 by mbjoer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zaza Posted October 21, 2011 Report Share Posted October 21, 2011 lol.. relax folks.. was just giving my personal opinion Thanks Calatrava for such valuable overview on PP. Cheers, 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zaza Posted October 21, 2011 Report Share Posted October 21, 2011 (edited) +1 I think Za is smoking some Bad [censored] lol Ze well.. Calatrava thinks Patek is the ultimate timepiece for a good reason, but don't creep me out again with such comment because I was really smoking something. He quotes Carla Bruni who's to many of us nothing more than an average celebrity with unsuccessful musical career and enough Italian Genes to attract the French dwarf PIMP. I'm sure he could give better examples had he wanted to, and so I'm not gonna list the names of celebrities who would KILL for a ROlex, Cala knows them better, but I dare him if he has enough guts to do part 1:20 of the clip, even with a Patek Rep Enjoy the vid guys it's really awesome (the music was exclusively composed for Rolex). Rolex or Patek.. who cares? It's not like we're shareholders or anything.. Most of us hardly owns a Genuine Casio. Edited October 21, 2011 by zaza Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calatrava Posted October 21, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 21, 2011 (edited) but I dare him if he has enough guts to do part 1:20 of the clip, even with a Patek Rep Wearing a dress watch while playing tennis would be like wearing a dive watch to a black tie event, just a bit silly, and quite inappropriate. In any case, I don't think it makes a difference what an ETA movement is encased in inasmuch as its ability to withstand shock and vibration. I suspect that the Calatrava and Nautilus cases will do as good a job of protecting the movement as a Rolex submariner case. Edited October 21, 2011 by calatrava Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calatrava Posted October 21, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 21, 2011 (edited) zaza, if you're not a fan of dress watches, have you considered these dressy sports watches instead? They are the Audemars Piguet Royal Oak, Patek Philippe Nautilus, and Vacheron Constantin Overseas. While I was originally going to get the Rolex GMT IIC in gen form, I decided to go with the Vacheron Constantin Overseas first, since it was comparable in price, and a much nicer watch (in my opinion) for the price. The photos below are of the replicas though. Edited October 21, 2011 by calatrava Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calatrava Posted October 21, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 21, 2011 (edited) By the way, this video might help you understand why Pateks are so expensive. Mainly, it has to do with the hand finishing steps for the movements. Some photos of the genuine Patek 5127. This is a photo of the 315SC automatic movement in the Patek Calatrava 5127. as compared the 3135 movement in the Rolex submariner. Edited October 21, 2011 by calatrava Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zaza Posted October 21, 2011 Report Share Posted October 21, 2011 The collection is truly extravagant Cala.. I've always wanted to own the APROO. The nautilus is classic! I love it. You don't seem a big fan of Chronographs are u. Will check the vid and leave my comment as soon as I get back on my Mac. Cheers, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest zeleni kukuruz Posted October 21, 2011 Report Share Posted October 21, 2011 Guy's this is the best watch video ever!!! And NO suprice, it's a Patek video, go figure Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calatrava Posted October 21, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 21, 2011 (edited) The collection is truly extravagant Cala.. I've always wanted to own the APROO. The nautilus is classic! I love it. You don't seem a big fan of Chronographs are u. Will check the vid and leave my comment as soon as I get back on my Mac. Cheers, Well, if it's chronographs you want, this is part of my collection. I also have a Alpha Paul Newman Daytona homage, but don't have a photo handy. Seagull 1963 Airforce chronograph Patek Philippe chronograph (incoming) Vacheron Constantin chronograph Edited October 21, 2011 by calatrava Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tabularasa415 Posted October 26, 2011 Report Share Posted October 26, 2011 You guys are funny. I have several gen Rolex watches. My "grail" watch, if it's any consolation, is a Calatrava in white gold when I'm finally in the six figures range And as to date, my most prized piece is a very simple solid gold seconds at 6 Vacheron dress watch from the late 50s I took as part of a trade. (And you don't want to know how much of a steal I got it for!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dluddy Posted October 26, 2011 Report Share Posted October 26, 2011 I have a 3919 Rep that was one of my first rep buys. Hand wind movement. Love it and it has remained in the collection all these years. Only wear it a hand full of times/year under cuffs at formal events. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenthino Posted October 29, 2011 Report Share Posted October 29, 2011 the Patek rep I really would like to own is the one in the movie Drive. Although it is a rep that does not have a gen counterpart.. http://www.gq-magazine.co.uk/style/articles/2011-09/16/gq-watches-ryan-gosling-watch-from-drive-film-movie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tom Hawkes Posted November 1, 2011 Report Share Posted November 1, 2011 (edited) the Patek rep I really would like to own is the one in the movie Drive. Although it is a rep that does not have a gen counterpart.. http://www.gq-magazi...rive-film-movie They bought a couple of these Miyota quartz powered watches and had a company print patek on the dial. They sell for around 15 Euros.. Edited November 1, 2011 by Tom Hawkes 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lewism129 Posted November 6, 2011 Report Share Posted November 6, 2011 The group shot. Patek Philippe Calatrava 5127 (Asian ETA 2824-2 clone) Patek Philippe Calatrava 5127 (Asian 21J Automatic) Patek Philippe Calatrava 5119 (Asian 21J Manual) Patek Philippe Calatrava 3520D (Quartz) From who did you purchase these? Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
superlative Posted January 14, 2012 Report Share Posted January 14, 2012 Meanwhile, some oil sheik in Dubai, with flies buzzing around his midst, owns 100 Patek's. LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronin Posted January 14, 2012 Report Share Posted January 14, 2012 If you ever make it to Geneva, make sure you go to the Patek Museum! It was awesome. Security was crazy as you can imagine. Funny thing, most of the "Security Guys" (X-Military Looking) were wearing what looked like G-Shocks!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calatrava Posted January 14, 2012 Author Report Share Posted January 14, 2012 From who did you purchase these? Thanks The first (clone ETA) was from Trevor <trevor123.bobo@gmail.com>, and the rest (asian 21j) were from Taobao. This is a link for the second one: http://item.taobao.com/item.htm?id=12458721378 The other two were also from Taobao, but the third one can be purchased from the TDs here, and the last one seems to be discontinued. If you ever make it to Geneva, make sure you go to the Patek Museum! It was awesome. Security was crazy as you can imagine. Funny thing, most of the "Security Guys" (X-Military Looking) were wearing what looked like G-Shocks!!! What were you expecting them to wear? Patek Nautiluses? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DemonSlayer Posted January 14, 2012 Report Share Posted January 14, 2012 Very nice collection calatrava! Its good to see the support from both PP and Rolex, both have their own interesting histories in horology and made their marks. The only PP I own is a MBK Nautilus, a very fine timepiece I must say. I think of PP as the 'Bentley' of watches Recently I'm being drawn to one of their dress models, the Calatrava seems like the one! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronin Posted January 14, 2012 Report Share Posted January 14, 2012 Considering we were in Switzerland, I would have at least expected Victorinox over Casio. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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