Would this be a swiss 6497-1 movement?

[dutchguy2]

Second question. It is running great and the seconds hands moves but the hour and minute hands are not moving. What can cause this and what is the fix?

Thanks for your help.

[FxrAndy]

It looks to be swiss to me and the problem is a slipping canon pin, in the time set position i bet there is little resistance when you set the hands

[dutchguy2]

Hi Andy. Thanks mate. Yes, that is correct not much resistance. Easy fix to do myself?

[FxrAndy]

Hmmmm easy is relative,

Can you remove the canon pin?

Do you have a new canon pin to fit?

If not you can crimp the old canon pin but the amount you have to squease is hard to tell, too little and it makes no difference to much and it is Fcuked.

I would sugest fitting a new one.

Is it a H3 if so i have a load here

[dutchguy2]

It is not an H3 but it schould be converted to an H3.

Does this look normal to you Andy?

I think I will send you an email LOL.

[FxrAndy]

No that looks FCUKED, you need a new great wheel and pinion (part 201)

[RWG Technical]

It is not an H3 but it schould be converted to an H3.

Does this look normal to you Andy?

I think I will send you an email LOL.

I can't imagine how much force is needed to break this pinion clean off...or how in the world this happened...

I would want to have a really good detailed look at the rest of the movement. You may find more problems/damage.

[FxrAndy]

I did it once when i sneased when i was removing a canon pin Rob, and i can tell you i was pretty annoyed with my self!!!!!!

[dutchguy2]

I got it this way in a PAM183G. The crown was broken off aswell (not the stem). Someone did use a lot of force on it for sure.

[tanya]

Looks like a swiss base plate with the rest being asian

As Andy said it looks Fyucked regardless

[marlin22]

It's a 6497-1 low beat ETA with Asian bridges, I have an ETA center wheel if you need one. PM me your address and I'll send it to you.

Andy is correct, you can tighten the CP, see the pictures using a staking tool, you can cheat and use a small wire cutter or even a nail cutter to crimp. The latter is not for the faint of heart, crimp too much and bye-bye CP. Use a needle or a copper rod as an insert to support thr CP walls from being over crimped, but again be careful and definitely not for the novice, unless you have a good supply of CPs

[dutchguy2]

Thanks Marlin. This made it very clear to me. I can give it a try. PM sent for the center wheel Thanks again.

[StormTooper4]

It's a 6497-1 low beat ETA with Asian bridges, I have an ETA center wheel if you need one. PM me your address and I'll send it to you.

Andy is correct, you can tighten the CP, see the pictures using a staking tool, you can cheat and use a small wire cutter or even a nail cutter to crimp. The latter is not for the faint of heart, crimp too much and bye-bye CP. Use a needle or a copper rod as an insert to support thr CP walls from being over crimped, but again be careful and definitely not for the novice, unless you have a good supply of CPs

Blimey that is a bit impressive

[mir36]

I had this same problem today - slipping cannon pinion.  It almost drove me crazy trying to figure out what was wrong.  This post helped.

 

I ended up disassembling my watch, removing the cannon pinion and put a piece of rodico on the post just to confirm it was actually moving.  It was.

 

[Mapman57]

Nice tip mir36......

 

Such knowledge here above (as always!)

[mir36]

BTW. In order to tighten the fit between the post and the cannon pinion, I cut a small 1x1 cm piece of double sided tape (you could use regular scotch tape), placed it on top of the post, then shoved the canon pinion down the post. The tape filled the gap between the post and the canon pinion for a snug fit. The movement is working normally now.

[oncyte]

Not only will you need a new cannon pinion....you will also need a new hour wheel...as it looks like it snapped off.