Megamanila Posted February 2, 2015 Report Share Posted February 2, 2015 Pulled the trigger on a PAM 127E Fiddy from Toro last week. Just received it. While the watch itself looks excellent, the movement inside is running at 18,000 bph instead of 21,600 bph. My understanding is that the genuine runs as 21,600 bph. Is that correct? Emailed Toro, and she said told me that it was never advertised as "high beat" (all the traces of the model have been removed from site so no way of checking at this point) and is in fact a hybrid with KW dial and JF movements. A little disappointed by the whole thing, so wondering if anyone on here ordered one and got a 21,600 bph version? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StormTooper4 Posted February 2, 2015 Report Share Posted February 2, 2015 Firstly where are the Pictures of your watch ? Secondly are you disappointed by the "Whole" watch ? or that beat rate ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Megamanila Posted February 2, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 2, 2015 Watch looks excellent but that beat rate is a deal breaker. I don't know of a single recently (post 2000) produced Panerai that has a 18,000 bph movement. Pics to follow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
astonjenks Posted February 2, 2015 Report Share Posted February 2, 2015 Either swap out the movement for a high beat or if you're unhappy, send me some pics and your price I may buy her from you. Regards AJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StormTooper4 Posted February 2, 2015 Report Share Posted February 2, 2015 I don't understand why this is a deal breaker , is there a visible thing that you can see Apparently There are two speeds available for the 6497/6498. The 6497-1 and 6498-1 are 18,000 bph. The 6497-2 and 6498-2 are 21,600 bph Although, technically, anything 18,000 bph or faster is considered "high beat." These are 18 http://www.ofrei.com/page_183.html And so are these http://calibercorner.com/tag/6497-1/ I reckon you need to go Gen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Megamanila Posted February 2, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 2, 2015 I don't understand why this is a deal breaker , is there a visible thing that you can see Apparently There are two speeds available for the 6497/6498. The 6497-1 and 6498-1 are 18,000 bph. The 6497-2 and 6498-2 are 21,600 bph Although, technically, anything 18,000 bph or faster is considered "high beat." These are 18 http://www.ofrei.com/page_183.html And so are thesehttp://calibercorner.com/tag/6497-1/ I reckon you need to go Gen The 18,000bph second hand movement is noticeably less smooth than that of a 21,600bph that I have on my PAM183. I actually have a spare 21,600 bph movement lying around somewhere, but not sure if I am skilled enough to be able to get it swapped out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
astonjenks Posted February 2, 2015 Report Share Posted February 2, 2015 Then get it to a friendly watchmaker who, for a price will service and fit the highbeat. AJ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asciwhite Posted February 2, 2015 Report Share Posted February 2, 2015 ------- Luckily Pams are the easiest to work on. I would however concur with the others here. You can`t break this deal just because of that. Flip it here on the forum if you can`t live with it or change the movement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ogladio Posted February 2, 2015 Report Share Posted February 2, 2015 How does the JF bridge stampings look like - better/worse than on the Noob movement? At least for me that could be an easier tell than second hand sweep speed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
xpletiv Posted February 2, 2015 Report Share Posted February 2, 2015 So, this 'Toro' you speak of, woman you say? Not that it matters, but I wouldn't want to be called something that I'm not. Or have I miss judged? I wouldn't want to address improperly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
astonjenks Posted February 2, 2015 Report Share Posted February 2, 2015 Still no photos! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
torobravo Posted February 2, 2015 Report Share Posted February 2, 2015 The 127 is permanently discontinued by the noob factory, you were lucky to get one of these Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
astonjenks Posted February 2, 2015 Report Share Posted February 2, 2015 Could you get another Toro, I dont care about the movement! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asciwhite Posted February 2, 2015 Report Share Posted February 2, 2015 The 127 is permanently discontinued by the noob factory, you were lucky to get one of these See? You can sell it here on the forum if you don`t like it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malkovich Posted February 2, 2015 Report Share Posted February 2, 2015 So, this 'Toro' you speak of, woman you say? Not that it matters, but I wouldn't want to be called something that I'm not. Or have I miss judged? I wouldn't want to address improperly. Must have been the nails. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StormTooper4 Posted February 2, 2015 Report Share Posted February 2, 2015 No pictures, never happened Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Megamanila Posted February 3, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 3, 2015 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Teris Posted February 3, 2015 Report Share Posted February 3, 2015 That crystal looks jacked. Exactly why I didn't jump on this one from Toro. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Legend Posted February 3, 2015 Report Share Posted February 3, 2015 The crystal distortion is not the best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Henry J. Miller Posted February 3, 2015 Report Share Posted February 3, 2015 This thread is hilarious ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Megamanila Posted February 5, 2015 Author Report Share Posted February 5, 2015 Decided to keep it in the end... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StormTooper4 Posted February 5, 2015 Report Share Posted February 5, 2015 Good choice 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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