dbane883 Posted June 16, 2015 Report Share Posted June 16, 2015 There are fat font inserts, and then there are FAT font inserts. Perhaps the nicest overall insert I have seen (outside of the genuine red triangle bug crown inserts) is owned by our very own cc33. His insert has THE perfect fade and the fonts are ridiculous for a "long 5". Well, it may not be quite as nice as his, but with cc33's help, I managed to secure an insert that could very well be the fattest long 5, kissing "40", MK0,or whatever you'd like to call it. Boys, I present to you El Gordo: Yes, long 5, and a kissing 40.. It's not just kissing, it's full on tongue action: That's not all. Even the 50 is kissing! The pads/cliches must have been so worn that even the other numbers are very close to touching: I will be affixing a new pearl into baby and then I will decide what she will go on. Almost scared to let it out if the house! We may never see another fatter on this or any other public forum. Very very pleased. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mendota Explorer Posted June 16, 2015 Report Share Posted June 16, 2015 Very nice! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pam007 Posted June 16, 2015 Report Share Posted June 16, 2015 What the hell did you feed that thing? That is the fattest Fat Font Insert I've ever laid eyes on. It's so fat, it puts other Fat Fonts to shame Well done sir It might add 20 pounds to the watch you install it on, so be careful 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ogladio Posted June 16, 2015 Report Share Posted June 16, 2015 Wow, great find - congrats! That baby will beef up any Sub. Bad thing is now all my inserts feel thin... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ubiquitous Posted June 16, 2015 Report Share Posted June 16, 2015 Beautiful curves on those fonts! Quite voluptuous! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mendota Explorer Posted June 16, 2015 Report Share Posted June 16, 2015 Big bottom, Big bottom, Talk about mud flaps my girl's got 'em! Oh you gonna take me home tonight Oh down beside that red fire light Oh you gonna let it all hang out Fat bottomed girls you make the rocking world go round! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lionsandtigers Posted June 16, 2015 Report Share Posted June 16, 2015 thats the caligula of inserts with all that kissing going on 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kime Posted June 16, 2015 Report Share Posted June 16, 2015 Can someone help me out, I always struggle to identify a gen fat font insert (especially this fat) and buying a dud keeps putting me off from giving over a shed load of money on one. Can someone point out what exactly separates these from the fakes? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pam007 Posted June 16, 2015 Report Share Posted June 16, 2015 Can someone help me out, I always struggle to identify a gen fat font insert (especially this fat) and buying a dud keeps putting me off from giving over a shed load of money on one. Can someone point out what exactly separates these from the fakes? As a collector of coins, I guess anything can be faked if there is enough profit in doing so. So you have to ask yourself, what does it take to make a passable fake FF insert? You'd had to create printing pads with the correct fonts and you have to construct them the same as the genuine FF inserts. (this can get costly taking into account the different iterations printing and pad wear that evident on gen FF inserts) So in order to make sense in terms of profit.. meaning if there was an operation faking them, they would need to flood the market to make a profit. Do you see a flood of Fat Font Inserts into the market? Nope. Actually it's the opposite, there is more demand than supply and it's been that way for the past 5 years or so. And the ones that are coming on the market are all different, in terms of age, patina, fade, wear, mk0, mk2, mk3 etc. No 2 inserts are rarely the same. You don't see for example 500 mint condition long 5 kissing 4 inserts hitting the market. The only known fake is the Yuki FF Insert and genuine fat font inserts have some "printing" tells vs Yuki. The silver font printing on gen FF inserts are printed on top of the black. On the Yuki, the silver printing is exposed metal. You can tell this by trying to fade the yuki with bleach, the silver fonts won't fade out as the black fades out. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
droptopman Posted June 16, 2015 Report Share Posted June 16, 2015 Too funny, we were just discussing this insert yesterday. I agree fattest fonts I have ever seen. I looked at hundreds of these while shopping for big crown parts. It is cartoonish in an awesome way. Thought I found a good one, but my fonts look anorexic compared to this example. What a rare piece of Rolex history you have there. I do believe we will see this in another one of your epic builds. Nice score DB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nick1972 Posted June 16, 2015 Report Share Posted June 16, 2015 I remember a thread on VRF where those inserts are called not original. Ray, a guy that sells stuff on the VRM had a long 5 super font for sale. This was way back in time, will look for the threads. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbane883 Posted June 16, 2015 Author Report Share Posted June 16, 2015 i think i found it (them): http://www.network54.com/Forum/207593/message/1338390815/ http://www.network54.com/Forum/207673/thread/1338324638/FS+Rolex+5513-12-1680+60's+Super+fat+font+insert----US1000+includes+shipping But the "expert" at the time was comparing two different MK's of inserts. He's comparing a normal fat font (MKI) to a long 5. Thats why the nomenclature is so [censored] up today.. A MK1 is really just a fat version of the MK3... Today, most know better and realize that there are two types of kissing 40's. Even to this day, there is no generally accepted MK for the kissing 40 long 5 (MK0? MK0.5?), let alone a kissing 50 If it were up to me, the regular long 5 should be called a MKI as it came right after the red triangles.. then have a kissing version of that.. and then "skinny 40" from 1963 should be called a MKII, and then leave the current MK3 as it is.. followed by Kissing 40 version of the MK3...Or something like that.. at least make the chronology logical. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cc33 Posted June 16, 2015 Report Share Posted June 16, 2015 They are more rare which is why not many have seen them or know of them. Kissing 40 always got the mk1 tag but they are just mk3's printed with worn pads, and dbane' insert is an mk2 that was printed with a worn pad. The order is also wrong because mk2's (long 5) came first and should be called mk1 It's confusing but the way it SHOULD have gone is that we call long 5's mk1 and we call the current mk3's mk2. Then if we happen to have a "kissing 40" version of one or the other we just add that to the mk designation.. So we should be calling dbane' insert an mk1 kissing 40 simple and correct Skinny 40 only from 63 had its own designation "Skinny 40" .... Doesn't really need an mk associated with it imo To be fair they had no clue back in 2012 Blind leading the blind 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beachcomber Posted June 16, 2015 Report Share Posted June 16, 2015 Is this for real? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pam007 Posted June 16, 2015 Report Share Posted June 16, 2015 Is this for real? Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk 4rlz Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pam007 Posted June 16, 2015 Report Share Posted June 16, 2015 They are more rare which is why not many have seen them or know of them. Kissing 40 always got the mk1 tag but they are just mk3's printed with worn pads, and dbane' insert is an mk2 that was printed with a worn pad. The order is also wrong because mk2's (long 5) came first and should be called mk1 It's confusing but the way it SHOULD have gone is that we call long 5's mk1 and we call the current mk3's mk2. Then if we happen to have a "kissing 40" version of one or the other we just add that to the mk designation.. So we should be calling dbane' insert an mk1 kissing 40 simple and correct Skinny 40 only from 63 had its own designation "Skinny 40" .... Doesn't really need an mk associated with it imo To be fair they had no clue back in 2012 Blind leading the blind long 5 - mk1 (kissing and non kissing) skinny 40 should be mk2. mk 3 should remain mk3 (skinny, medium and kissing) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
droptopman Posted June 16, 2015 Report Share Posted June 16, 2015 I found a bunch of threads on the MK?? discussions while doing general research on Subs. Conflicting information and in some cases from the same sources...I trust my friends here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cc33 Posted June 17, 2015 Report Share Posted June 17, 2015 long 5 - mk1 (kissing and non kissing) skinny 40 should be mk2. mk 3 should remain mk3 (skinny, medium and kissing) I'd be more then happy with that! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cc33 Posted June 17, 2015 Report Share Posted June 17, 2015 I found a bunch of threads on the MK?? discussions while doing general research on Subs. Conflicting information and in some cases from the same sources...I trust my friends here. Yup it's one of the most confusing things about vintage subs, there have been new revelations (about pad printing) and now it's all very clear but nobody has made a definitive thread on vrf meant to try to change the way we categorize them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ubiquitous Posted June 17, 2015 Report Share Posted June 17, 2015 Ehhh... While we are talking inserts and confusion on version, I've never been able to really pinpoint what mk mine is... Any thoughts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cc33 Posted June 17, 2015 Report Share Posted June 17, 2015 Mk3 medium Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ubiquitous Posted June 17, 2015 Report Share Posted June 17, 2015 cc- That was what I had initially thought based on Marcello's overview. But then I started seeing the insert fall into other mk designations/categories and then my eyes went all crossed... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cc33 Posted June 17, 2015 Report Share Posted June 17, 2015 I know the feeling! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
droptopman Posted June 17, 2015 Report Share Posted June 17, 2015 Hey I am learning something, I had it correct but lack the .....confidence to jump in. Beautiful set btw. Sent from my droptop using telepathy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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