Pugwash Posted February 26, 2007 Report Share Posted February 26, 2007 So its more than 80% of the total weigth gen.........so me and Pug WINS!!!!!!! Come on, it's 100% gen. You know it's 100% gen. Follow your gut and it'll serve you well. The moment you see a gen case and datewheel, you can be certain that the movement is gen. The only question is the dial. Is it a redial to make it more valuable? In this case, no, because everything else fits together so well. Besides, if the case is gen and the movement is gen, it can have an UbiAriner dial and still be counted as gen, even if it's not a real red Sub. Not that this isn't a real red Sub, of course. You know it's a real red Sub. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlipLockBuckle Posted February 26, 2007 Report Share Posted February 26, 2007 I would say that if this is a modded rep... It's a) taken a lot of genuine parts out of circulation and cost far more than any 'sane' individual would spend on modding a rep to actually build. Consider that the dial, crown/tube and insert purchased a la carte could buy 6 or 7 complete, brand new MBW's... Now factor in the other parts like the 93150, etc. and the initial buy in.... Do the math and ask yourself if you would logically spend that kind of money on a rep... I say gen. If it's a rep, then I am VERY impressed! The Dial definetly is not gen. Look at the ROLEX text, the spacing would have to be a lot bigger. Also...the crown is fairly inaccurate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elprimerozen Posted February 26, 2007 Report Share Posted February 26, 2007 Come on, it's 100% gen. You know it's 100% gen. Follow your gut and it'll serve you well. The moment you see a gen case and datewheel, you can be certain that the movement is gen. The only question is the dial. Is it a redial to make it more valuable? In this case, no, because everything else fits together so well. Besides, if the case is gen and the movement is gen, it can have an UbiAriner dial and still be counted as gen, even if it's not a real red Sub. Not that this isn't a real red Sub, of course. You know it's a real red Sub. I agree 100% with you Pug!.....as for the things that Randy say...he is making a point! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pugwash Posted February 26, 2007 Report Share Posted February 26, 2007 The Dial definetly is not gen. Look at the ROLEX text, the spacing would have to be a lot bigger. Also...the crown is fairly inaccurate. Damn, where's my hockey puck and rubber. Got me some moddin' to do. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ubiquitous Posted February 26, 2007 Report Share Posted February 26, 2007 The Dial definetly is not gen. Look at the ROLEX text, the spacing would have to be a lot bigger. Also...the crown is fairly inaccurate. LOL... Whatever. Please educate yourself before opening your trap. Here is the same dial, on a well known collector's watch from TZ. Same dial. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FlipLockBuckle Posted February 26, 2007 Report Share Posted February 26, 2007 (edited) @ubi: this is how it ought to look http://doubleredseadweller.com/rs2.htm btw. take a look at the spaces between the letters. Edited February 26, 2007 by FlipLockBuckle Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ubiquitous Posted February 26, 2007 Report Share Posted February 26, 2007 You're assuming that what's on Ed's site are the only ones to exist. Those are all open '6' dials... The one being discussed is a closed '6'... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ubiquitous Posted February 26, 2007 Report Share Posted February 26, 2007 btw. take a look at the spaces between the letters. Yup. I have... And they look fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mickey Padge Posted February 26, 2007 Report Share Posted February 26, 2007 Was the printing so advance back then that there was no dial print variation? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ubiquitous Posted February 26, 2007 Report Share Posted February 26, 2007 Was the printing so advance back then that there was no dial print variation? There is absolutely dial printing variations. There were 3 dial makers at the time making dials for rolex. Stern, Bey and Singer. Each with differences in manufacturing, printing, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mickey Padge Posted February 26, 2007 Report Share Posted February 26, 2007 There is absolutely dial printing variations. There were 3 dial makers at the time making dials for rolex. Stern, Bey and Singer. Each with differences in manufacturing, printing, etc. That's what I thought. I was wondering why FlipLockBuckle was saying they ALL look like that particular watch........ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ubiquitous Posted February 27, 2007 Report Share Posted February 27, 2007 Therein lies the problem. One can't just assume that because a dial (or other specific part) doesn't match a specific picture that it is automatically a fake. If that were the case, then the Single Red 1665 would be cast out as a fugazzi. Same with Rails and other dial variations. There are four, yes, FOUR tritium dial variations for the 1665 DRSD, and three for the white. My comments and opinions stem from studying the brand as well as having had the benefit of experiencing a good portion of these goodies in my hand. There's nothing like first hand experience... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cjeffers58 Posted February 27, 2007 Report Share Posted February 27, 2007 I say it's a modded Alpha case... rep crystal minus the hockey puck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ubiquitous Posted February 27, 2007 Report Share Posted February 27, 2007 rofl-copter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest avitt Posted February 27, 2007 Report Share Posted February 27, 2007 I am now changing my guess to genuine. (At least I'll have been right half the time ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pugwash Posted February 27, 2007 Report Share Posted February 27, 2007 I am now changing my guess to genuine. (At least I'll have been right half the time ) You know the rules, once Ubi posts, you're not guessing any more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest avitt Posted February 27, 2007 Report Share Posted February 27, 2007 You know the rules, once Ubi posts, you're not guessing any more. Once Ubi posts, it's no longer considered a guess... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ubiquitous Posted February 27, 2007 Report Share Posted February 27, 2007 I'd like to see a pic of between the lugs. Doesn't have to be the s/n side (the model ref side would work)... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omega Posted February 27, 2007 Author Report Share Posted February 27, 2007 And the winner is... ...i dissolve it: It's a genuine 1680 with all original parts from 1973! Serial is 38xxxxxx. 1570 non quick set movement. Silver flat top date wheel (only 26 is closed). The date magnification is to small, because the crystal has been polished a few times... Thats all to say about this beauty. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ubiquitous Posted February 27, 2007 Report Share Posted February 27, 2007 Congrats.... That's a beauty! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omega Posted February 27, 2007 Author Report Share Posted February 27, 2007 Thanks to all... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
richard_uk Posted February 27, 2007 Report Share Posted February 27, 2007 Bit scary how many people got so many things wrong here, I wonder how times a gen Rolex on eBay has been called out as rep and been reported and removed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elprimerozen Posted February 27, 2007 Report Share Posted February 27, 2007 Realy nice man!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest avitt Posted February 27, 2007 Report Share Posted February 27, 2007 (edited) Bit scary how many people got so many things wrong here, I wonder how times a gen Rolex on eBay has been called out as rep and been reported and removed. You've got to remember where you are...We naturally assume it's a replica. The stats would have been reversed for the same post on Timezone. Edited February 27, 2007 by avitt Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Omega Posted February 27, 2007 Author Report Share Posted February 27, 2007 Bit scary how many people got so many things wrong here, I wonder how times a gen Rolex on eBay has been called out as rep and been reported and removed. That's right my friend. We are going with searching flaws to far in the subject, that we only imagine themselves! As this time the perfection was not like today, every dial or datewheel etc. was handmade and thats because this pieces get expensive: Cause they are unique... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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