DongHo Posted March 19, 2007 Report Share Posted March 19, 2007 Apologies if you have read this before, but I have posted a similar thread on another forum. My questions (to those with greater experience than moi) is whether or not the replicas offered by the like of Josh, Andrew, etc with Swiss Eta movements (2836-2, 2824-2, etc) are really Swiss Eta movements? I have read lots of threads from various sources all making contrary claims to one another. Some say that the movements are genuine Eta, others say that they are all just Asian copies of Eta movements. If anyone who knows the truth, I'd be mighty glad to know the answer. Cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
watchman12345 Posted March 19, 2007 Report Share Posted March 19, 2007 Yes they are. Well that's the short answer. I'm sure someone will go into the details of how they are assembled in Asia. Then someone will no doubt go into how there is a unstamped 2836 masquerading as a gen ETA version. But I'll contribute the simple answer. Yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pugwash Posted March 19, 2007 Report Share Posted March 19, 2007 If they say Swiss ETA 2836, you can be 99.9% sure it's a Swiss ETA 2836. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crystalcranium Posted March 19, 2007 Report Share Posted March 19, 2007 Apologies if you have read this before, but I have posted a similar thread on another forum. My questions (to those with greater experience than moi) is whether or not the replicas offered by the like of Josh, Andrew, etc with Swiss Eta movements (2836-2, 2824-2, etc) are really Swiss Eta movements? I have read lots of threads from various sources all making contrary claims to one another. Some say that the movements are genuine Eta, others say that they are all just Asian copies of Eta movements. If anyone who knows the truth, I'd be mighty glad to know the answer. Cheers Ahhh grasshopper...but do you know a Swiss ETA is really made in China??????? So actually all Swiss ETA's are Asian made!!!!! Confused....join the crowd! More and more in the shell game of movement provenance, performance is going to be the bottom line, not actual ETA lineage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Blackrain Posted March 19, 2007 Report Share Posted March 19, 2007 My 4th gen PO from Andrew is advertised as having a 2824-2 movement in it. I cracked the back, because it was running +3 seconds a day, and I adjusted the timing by 1/2 of one notch. While in there, I looked around with a 5x Jewlers loop. All the markings were right where they were supposed to be. After 3 weeks, in the winder, on my wrist, we are running +1 seconds a day. At this point in time, if someone told me it was an "asian copy", I would say................thank you sir, may I have another! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davey Posted March 19, 2007 Report Share Posted March 19, 2007 99% of ETAS are chinese built but NOT copies.. ETA have authorised factories in China. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FxrAndy Posted March 19, 2007 Report Share Posted March 19, 2007 How many times have we all put our 2 ct in to answer this one, they are 100% Chiss ok Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spatten1 Posted March 19, 2007 Report Share Posted March 19, 2007 Maybe not Swiss, but genuine ETA. Recently got a 42mm PO from Silix. Needed my watchsmith to make a repair (taken care of by Silix). He verified genuine ETA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rolexlover Posted March 20, 2007 Report Share Posted March 20, 2007 How many times have we all put our 2 ct in to answer this one, they are 100% Chiss ok Yeah, its' 100% CHISS ETA movement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r11co Posted March 20, 2007 Report Share Posted March 20, 2007 No. They are Swinese. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
coolfire Posted March 20, 2007 Report Share Posted March 20, 2007 No. They are Swinese. Dude, careful... Sounds like sorta a slant, this... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teddy boy Posted March 20, 2007 Report Share Posted March 20, 2007 Apologies if you have read this before, but I have posted a similar thread on another forum. My questions (to those with greater experience than moi) is whether or not the replicas offered by the like of Josh, Andrew, etc with Swiss Eta movements (2836-2, 2824-2, etc) are really Swiss Eta movements? I have read lots of threads from various sources all making contrary claims to one another. Some say that the movements are genuine Eta, others say that they are all just Asian copies of Eta movements. If anyone who knows the truth, I'd be mighty glad to know the answer. Cheers I can only respond based on my own experience. I have a rep rolex day date that was sold as a swiss eta 2836-2. I decided to have the watch serviced and my watchmaker commented on the high quality when I picked the watch up. I think he was actually surprised at the extremely high quality for a replica watch stating that most reps that he sees are junk. He also seemed surprised that I got such a high quality watch for so little money. I asked if the watch had an eta movement and he confirmed that fact. I can't be sure, but I think that he would know the difference between a copy and a genuine eta. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
crystalcranium Posted March 20, 2007 Report Share Posted March 20, 2007 I can only respond based on my own experience. I have a rep rolex day date that was sold as a swiss eta 2836-2. I decided to have the watch serviced and my watchmaker commented on the high quality when I picked the watch up. I think he was actually surprised at the extremely high quality for a replica watch stating that most reps that he sees are junk. He also seemed surprised that I got such a high quality watch for so little money. I asked if the watch had an eta movement and he confirmed that fact. I can't be sure, but I think that he would know the difference between a copy and a genuine eta. I wouldn't bet on it and I predict more confusion and less origin certanty as we move into the ETA shortage era. Even Ziggy stated in his recent teardown of the Chinese 2824 copy that it was tough to see any differences, (except for the absence of an ETA hallmark), right down to the machining marks. As I stated earlier, I think once we get used to the Chinese providing movements that are 99% accurate copies of ETA's and performers of ETA quality, naming them "swiss movements" is going to mean less and less. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FxrAndy Posted March 20, 2007 Report Share Posted March 20, 2007 No R11co, i was speaking to the brother of a freind who knows an Invicta sales rep (real knowledgeable chap i hear) and he assured me that they were 100% Chiss made, maybe some get a swinese make over, Cote de gangzu stripes and so on, I am a bit of an EAT snob and i want to be sure that mine are 100% gen Chiss, all the dealers are aware of this and am happy that i pay an extra premium for assurance on its origin. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
teddy boy Posted March 21, 2007 Report Share Posted March 21, 2007 I wouldn't bet on it and I predict more confusion and less origin certanty as we move into the ETA shortage era. Even The Zigmeister stated in his recent teardown of the Chinese 2824 copy that it was tough to see any differences, (except for the absence of an ETA hallmark), right down to the machining marks. As I stated earlier, I think once we get used to the Chinese providing movements that are 99% accurate copies of ETA's and performers of ETA quality, naming them "swiss movements" is going to mean less and less. You're probably right, and it will matter less and less as well. Johsua has ultimate planet oceans with chinese copies of eta movements for a little over half of what the genuine eta sells for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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