mhemm Posted May 2, 2006 Report Share Posted May 2, 2006 (edited) First of all, I would like to say that for my first purchase, I have decided to fork over the extra bucks for a 111h with a "better" movement. However, I have since fallen in love with the Patek reps with dials such as these. http://perfect-clones.com/product_info.php...products_id=685 http://perfect-clones.com/product_info.php...products_id=733 EL and Trusty also have versions that seem similar to the 2nd one (the one with a more expensive movement). Now this brings me to my question. I was wondering if the 21J movement is reliable enough to let me wear the cheaper watch for a few years without trouble. If the difference between the reliability of the movements is night and day, I will certainly save up longer and get the swiss movement. However, I really dont mind the fliplid case, or the display case back, so I can't see much difference between the two besides the movement. Any comments would be appreciated. Edited May 2, 2006 by mhemm Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pwygant Posted May 2, 2006 Report Share Posted May 2, 2006 (edited) I'd like to get some info on this as well. The general consensus I try to understand is if a 75% cost difference between a 21J and a 2836 for example, is worth the quality difference? I mean, if I get a 21J and it lasts me 10 years I am all for it. Are there other reliability issues with the 21J? //Cheers Edited May 2, 2006 by pwygant Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jraines87 Posted May 2, 2006 Report Share Posted May 2, 2006 In my experience, the more expensive watches have a better fit & finish in addition to the "Better" movement. Notice I quoted better? If you have a movement serviced (Either one) it should last a long long time. I have some asian auto watches and the overall feel just isn't up to par with my Eta watches... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pwygant Posted May 2, 2006 Report Share Posted May 2, 2006 Thanks for the response, however I am seeing more and more dealers offering the same case on many watches with only movement difference. Is this a trend perhaps? //Cheers Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
r11co Posted May 2, 2006 Report Share Posted May 2, 2006 In many case, sadly yes. It used to be that an 'ETA' movement powered watch would come with a higher standard fit/finish/dimension of case. This made them IMO worth the premium. This is no longer a given, and the premium is often for the movement alone. The 21J auto Asian Miyota copy movement is every bit as good quality and reliability wise as an ETA counterpart. The only downside is if you do ever damage one then you may struggle to get spares to repair it. Having said that, many watch movements (ETA design and others) are a disposable item these days... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alligoat Posted May 3, 2006 Report Share Posted May 3, 2006 All of my asian 21j watches are doing fine, except one. It's from the ABC Watch Co, China. Of course, it got wet early on and hasn't been up to par since then. But who cares! I've got 3 or 4 more that I can play with. And a few Miyotas and quite a few ETA's. And heck, there's the knock-offs and inexpensive gens and.... If you only got $200 to spend, I'd definitely get two Asian 21j's, or three if possible! Or you could try Silix-prime and get one decent ETA. Of course, then you need to allocate another 2-300 dollars for your next purchase. Can't stop now! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
robertk Posted May 3, 2006 Report Share Posted May 3, 2006 I've got several 21j's and lot's of ETA's. the 21j's are very reliable and in most cases more reliable than the 7750's Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bignasty Posted May 3, 2006 Report Share Posted May 3, 2006 My only complaint with the Asian 21J movements is I have had 2 or 3 in the past month and a half come DOA with some sort of issue, ie. running then stopping, date set issues, or just completely dead. For me its ETA as far as the basic movements go. I'll still get the CN 6497 and I'm trying out a 7750b1 (which will end up in The Zigmeister's hands before its all over with). My 2cents. Jon Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmark Posted May 3, 2006 Report Share Posted May 3, 2006 The Zigmeister has a nice write up of various movements if you haven't found it yet. http://www.rwg.cc/members/index.php?showtopic=2715 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dadog13 Posted May 3, 2006 Report Share Posted May 3, 2006 well, i have two asian 21j pams and they run perferctly! maybe it is luck...but i wouldn't sell them for the price that i got them! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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