1665fan Posted November 1, 2007 Report Share Posted November 1, 2007 @ docblackrock: Great watches!! Would be wonderful if you could contact me, have a question to you! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Toadtorrent Posted November 1, 2007 Report Share Posted November 1, 2007 Anyone have an idea what the moral of this thread is yet??? The moral of the story is, if you have any of these, when you sell it on Fleabay...make sure your reserve price is at least $150 USD (or $100 CDN)... I am in utter awe at the knowledge here. As a noob, I would ask from folks like Nanuq the Master of Mushers to think out loud more on what they are doing to make their attributions so I can figure out what you guys are looking at. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docblackrock Posted November 1, 2007 Author Report Share Posted November 1, 2007 I dunno... if that was a black/red "Sophia" bezel then would it be a matte dial with no chapter ring? I vote for faded blue. Really, you think so? What like THIS "Sophia" (Loren) you mean? Think again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docblackrock Posted November 1, 2007 Author Report Share Posted November 1, 2007 Compare the indices and lack of "DATE" with my newest find. I say mine is the new dial configuration, indices resized and ready, BEFORE they actually added the gold surrounds.Ah, unfair advantage again - we've talked about your GMT before haven't we? Didn't I find that confirmation on an identical piece? (do you have that thread link by chance?) But actually Nanuq's piece is not the same as this in any aspect, model, age etc. So WHAT is it? Rep, franken or gen? Another clue or red herring (you decide ) - anyone notice the datefont? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docblackrock Posted November 1, 2007 Author Report Share Posted November 1, 2007 Thought you'd drool at that, but look, no matte dial and it wasn't a faded Pepsi insert OK time to spill the beans since I've noticed....wow.....this is in fact my 2000th post Don't worry though, no musings on the meaning of life for me I sort of gave it away at the end there although it was worth it if only to prove even Nanuq's expertise can sometimes be fooled - crack for WIS's indeed So this is what I gave you... And then showed you a 'Sophia' GMT, much more believable. Notice the similarity? Well, these two are actually the SAME MODEL, SAME YEAR!!! 16760 - GMTII first series, 1983 - yep that's right folks no 'DATE' after "OYSTER PERPETUAL' Not used to seeing that are we? Still a slight difference in dial text font though, even within the same year, you just have to ignore the contrasting conditions of both. All the pieces shown here are GENUINE. But they are almost unheard of and some detail or other will just look wrong to most peoples' eyes. The moral of this thread is therefore this - there is NO right or wrong and never assume anything. No matter what you think you know, Rolex will just kick you in the backside every time. Their approach to the evolution of their models and parts/service swapouts just beggars belief . Unbelievably haphazard and amateurish, something like this perhaps... "...hey Siegfried, I neet unt dial for zis GMT....vhat do you av in your drawer?.... (*sounds of rummaging about, bits being discarded*) "....oh ok, zat looks like it vill fit, who care novone vill know anyhows...danke mein heren." "Siegfried vat is dial you geev me? You see it von't feet. For moment lend me file, eh?" (*sounds of a vice and a flat file being worked around a dial*) "Darn, look Siegfried, a ring is come off. Ah vell, we take dem ALL off now! Hand me pliers please" Hope you enjoyed this trail of breadcrumbs - for me, this is exactly what makes vintage Rolex such fun. cheers Doc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deltatahoe Posted November 1, 2007 Report Share Posted November 1, 2007 top stuff DBR & nanuq perhaps one day i'll have a fraction of the knowledge you guys have. one thing is for sure though -- vintage rolexes have my full attention deltatahoe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deltatahoe Posted November 1, 2007 Report Share Posted November 1, 2007 Mmmmmmmm, do I smell a COMEX??? i sure hope so i'm all antsy in my pantsy about the comex....waiting for oliver to respond to my emails, i feel like a kid waiting for a toy store to open btw, you have PM nanuq -- quick question for you deltatahoe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docblackrock Posted November 1, 2007 Author Report Share Posted November 1, 2007 Worth a try Bob, but there may be a new vulture circling that particular carcass (no, not me, just thanks to me) Take it your Sector/Fortis duo didn't sell on TZ then? BTW, my dream rare vintage.... 1972 DRSD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pugwash Posted November 1, 2007 Report Share Posted November 1, 2007 The moral of that thread is if someone like me doesn't have a clue about them watches, no-one you will ever meet can call out a decent replica Rolex Frankenwatch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deltatahoe Posted November 1, 2007 Report Share Posted November 1, 2007 Worth a try Bob, but there may be a new vulture circling that particular carcass (no, not me, just thanks to me) you trying to punish me for my greed doc , pointing people in the direction of MY comex? deltatahoe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docblackrock Posted November 2, 2007 Author Report Share Posted November 2, 2007 you trying to punish me for my greed doc , pointing people in the direction of MY comex? Heh heh, something like that Nah, your baby's safe (for now ) - just don't want you getting too comfy there you avaricious swine, you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docblackrock Posted November 2, 2007 Author Report Share Posted November 2, 2007 Hmmmmm, are you building a Tiffany DR from Oli's basis? Hmmm, now THERE's an IDEA!!! Delta >>>> Mwahahahaha........ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docblackrock Posted November 2, 2007 Author Report Share Posted November 2, 2007 Talking of COMEX, I love that diver's quote....you know the one who said that most commercial divers would not wear them in the water, to the extent that the watches were cynically renamed as "CabinDwellers" But what got me (in the sense) was the fact that these guys say they were led to believe that these COMEX 5514s were somehow inferior to "proper" Rolex's - a perception that led to many of these watches changing hands in bars and poker games for as little as $100!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
offshore Posted November 2, 2007 Report Share Posted November 2, 2007 I love that diver's quote....you know the one who said that most commercial divers would not wear them in the water, Doc, Another old divers quote, (and it applies to self as well) "There are old divers, and there are bold divers.... but there aren't any old, bold divers" Maybe the old guys were on to something? Offshore Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docblackrock Posted November 2, 2007 Author Report Share Posted November 2, 2007 The fine line between franken and gen is too blurry these days haha.That's yet another moral of this thread Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deltatahoe Posted November 2, 2007 Report Share Posted November 2, 2007 Hmmm, now THERE's an IDEA!!! Delta >>>> Mwahahahaha........ But what got me (in the sense) was the fact that these guys say they were led to believe that these COMEX 5514s were somehow inferior to "proper" Rolex's - a perception that led to many of these watches changing hands in bars and poker games for as little as $100!!! hmm...maybe i should tell oli that he should know his comex isn't a REAL rolex and i'd be happy to pay half what he's asking deltatahoe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shadow_ Posted November 6, 2007 Report Share Posted November 6, 2007 (edited) this is for you rolex experts.... what the hell is this? http://cgi.ebay.it/ROLEX-REFERENZA-6062-IN...oQQcmdZViewItem look at damm auction start price!! Edited November 6, 2007 by Shadow_ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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