Jos Nana Posted June 10, 2006 Report Share Posted June 10, 2006 (edited) E0117/1950 case is the correct case with sapphire front and back, AR lightly coated.. The 0581 case is mineral glass, the doom is also not as high and incorrect shape, inaccurate dial and the case is not correct. Most dealers are using old supplier re-circulated pics.. what is delivered to you might be the the 0581 case in the end from their suppliers. Thus please clarify with your dealer that you will be getting the true ultimate version... Like I always said, there is no free lunch in this world. Thanks Joshua Edited June 10, 2006 by Jos Nana Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAHLER Posted June 10, 2006 Report Share Posted June 10, 2006 (edited) Thanks for the suggestion!! Can excuse, explain me a thing? In average how many pieces exist of a replica? The quality worsens if the number of the pieces increases or does a greater application improve the quality of the products? Thanks Edited June 10, 2006 by MAHLER Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mossanti Posted June 10, 2006 Report Share Posted June 10, 2006 well..before this ..all the dealers still saying things ..that the 127 1950..is the top class..the most accurate ..all that stuff...but still alot of flaws like you say... Im wondering ...why is this happening ...but 1 answer for sure...FOR BUSINESS..all is just for business..nothing else..even the reps is not sapphire they always say sapphire Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watchmeister Posted June 10, 2006 Report Share Posted June 10, 2006 Later or different numbered versions are not necessarily an improvement. Josh is simply issuing a warning that the new case number (which some folks care about) is coming on a new version with other inferior components. I haven't been paying attention on this one as I long since bought the most correct fourth version but it sounds like someone is marketing a new version at a lower price. That is why member reviews are so helpful in figuring out which version you want. Also, remember that in some cases the first version is the best version (2893 GMT's and Power Reserves, 7753 196's, etc.). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archibald Posted June 10, 2006 Report Share Posted June 10, 2006 Thanks for the suggestion!! Can excuse, explain me a thing? In average how many pieces exist of a replica? The quality worsens if the number of the pieces increases or does a greater application improve the quality of the products? Thanks Good luck finding out these anwers--my guess is that it depends on the watch, that some flaws are intentional, some are money saving measures, some are just mistakes, some are intended to ensure sales of later versions, and some reflect the fact that if an initial run is successful more than one factory, with varying degrees of competence, manufactures them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MAHLER Posted June 10, 2006 Report Share Posted June 10, 2006 (edited) Good luck finding out these anwers--my guess is that it depends on the watch, that some flaws are intentional, some are money saving measures, some are just mistakes, some are intended to ensure sales of later versions, and some reflect the fact that if an initial run is successful more than one factory, with varying degrees of competence, manufactures them. Joshua has shortly responded me for PM. It says that they departs in average for 500 pieces if these go they produce the others. For more known brands they part also from 1000 or 2000 pieces. Edited June 10, 2006 by MAHLER Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lancelot Posted June 10, 2006 Report Share Posted June 10, 2006 Hey Josh, my friend thanks for the info. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwai02 Posted June 10, 2006 Report Share Posted June 10, 2006 I got the same information from King. So, do specify when you order. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
statikman Posted June 10, 2006 Report Share Posted June 10, 2006 So, where do we stand on River's offering? I want this new movement. http://www.rwg.cc/members/index.php?showtopic=5866 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slay Posted June 10, 2006 Report Share Posted June 10, 2006 E0117/1950 case is the correct case with sapphire front and back, AR lightly coated.. The 0581 case is mineral glass, the doom is also not as high and incorrect shape, inaccurate dial and the case is not correct. Most dealers are using old supplier re-circulated pics.. what is delivered to you might be the the 0581 case in the end from their suppliers. Thus please clarify with your dealer that you will be getting the true ultimate version... Like I always said, there is no free lunch in this world. Thanks Joshua i have the 0117, and the glas is NOT sapphire, its definetly mineral... OMFGBBQQUACK WTF?!?!??!?!?!!!?!°?????!?!?!???? 1m s0 3l1t3!!!!111!!1! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lionking Posted June 10, 2006 Report Share Posted June 10, 2006 (edited) I have a non AR 117 . It has a big scratch on the crystal. Is 117 with sappihre or mineral? Sapphire is not supposed to get scratched that easily. My friend received the Eddie's 581 version and it definitely has the AR but with more distortion on the len especially than my 117. Edited June 10, 2006 by lionking Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thomasng Posted June 11, 2006 Report Share Posted June 11, 2006 i have the 0117, and the glas is NOT sapphire, its definetly mineral... OMFGBBQQUACK WTF?!?!??!?!?!!!?!°?????!?!?!???? 1m s0 3l1t3!!!!111!!1! LOL! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir-Lancelot Posted June 11, 2006 Report Share Posted June 11, 2006 I also have E0117 and it is mineral glass. it came with some sort of film on the inside of the glass. took the glass off, cleaned it then, bam! got a big fuggin scratch on the glass. looks like chit now. was thinking about davidsenjpn's crystal, but not seen anyone who has this. if its an easy fix, i would love to wear this watch again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watchmeister Posted June 11, 2006 Report Share Posted June 11, 2006 It's not as simple as buy one with #117 case number and you have top of the line. #117 ia the same on all five generations of the 127 as well as the 183's. The best version is the fourth generation. It is 117 though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
16520b Posted June 11, 2006 Report Share Posted June 11, 2006 (edited) having the caseback 117/1950 is what i think the biggest flaw Edited June 11, 2006 by 16520b Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJGladeRaider Posted June 11, 2006 Report Share Posted June 11, 2006 So, where do we stand on River's offering? I want this new movement. http://www.rwg.cc/members/index.php?showtopic=5866 I just got what appears to be that identical watch from Joshua - about like a wall clock with a belt! Awesome watch though. Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TJGladeRaider Posted June 11, 2006 Report Share Posted June 11, 2006 I just got what appears to be that identical watch from Joshua - about like a wall clock with a belt! Awesome watch though. Bill Just to clarify - if some of these don't have sapphire, mine definitely does. I would think that having that much domed mineral glass on a wrist would be asking for trouble. Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vdubpower Posted June 11, 2006 Report Share Posted June 11, 2006 didnt eddie say the opposite, that teh 581 version was more correct etc. i dont know why anyone is saying they are sapphire, thats complete [censored] no matter what, as we have seen with the 212. they all have mineral crystal, not syn sapphire Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chronus Posted June 11, 2006 Report Share Posted June 11, 2006 I hear that the 581 case costs a lot more than the 117 case so I'm confused with this one. Besides, doesn't the crystal come separately to the case? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lionking Posted June 11, 2006 Report Share Posted June 11, 2006 My newly arrived 127 with swan neck is definitely not sapphire as it has a big scratch on the crystal and a hair or lint inside the crystal. It has all the correct bridge, and swan neck, 117 serial, but is not ar coated. I bought the piece from a respected dealer on the forum. I am still waiting for answer from him, hope the issue will be resolved soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shultz Posted June 11, 2006 Report Share Posted June 11, 2006 Ooops, I ordered the very very very BEST version from Andrew a couple of days ago. He promised that the watch will come with sapphire crystal on both sides. Did anybody purchase the watch? Will I get a truly nice item? As far as I know it does have the 117 serial no. But does it have truly sapphire back and front? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ///AMG Posted June 11, 2006 Report Share Posted June 11, 2006 didnt eddie say the opposite, that teh 581 version was more correct etc. i dont know why anyone is saying they are sapphire, thats complete [censored] no matter what, as we have seen with the 212. they all have mineral crystal, not syn sapphire Eddie is saying the opposite in RWI hahaha ... looks like one of them may not be telling us the truth here .... but imho, EL's does look a little better from all the pics I have seen with thath nice tint & super lume dial ... borrowing the pics from a fellow member Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cwai02 Posted June 11, 2006 Report Share Posted June 11, 2006 fu*k that. I just broke the "sapphire crystal" on my fiddy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ///AMG Posted June 11, 2006 Report Share Posted June 11, 2006 fu*k that. I just broke the "sapphire crystal" on my fiddy. that actually maybe good news, now you can try a davidsen crystal Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shultz Posted June 11, 2006 Report Share Posted June 11, 2006 that actually maybe good news, now you can try a davidsen crystal Bad boy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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