freddy333 Posted December 18, 2007 Report Share Posted December 18, 2007 I am not especially fond of the strap (I prefer an Oyster bracelet), but the owner of one of the most beautiful gen Double Reds just posted this shot on TZ & the image is so striking that I thought the members might appreciate seeing it here. This is a prime example of what a gen Double Red should look like & it provides a good benchmark to compare your rep or franken against since the MBW Double Red was probably based on this version I do not have a pic of a stock MBW in a similar pose, but here is an older pic of my modded MBW for comparison The 3 most obvious inaccuracies on the MBW dial are the pointy 'A' fonts & the color and spacing of SEA-DWELLER (strangely, the color of the screen font I just selected to display the words 'SEA-DWELLER' looks more like the gen than the MBW does). As you can see, the tracking is tighter on the gen font and the color contrasts considerably better against the dial's (faded) black background. I have often heard the red color used on Double Reds and Red Subs referred to as being very dark, nearly the color of blood. But I think the MBW more closely fits that color description than the gen does. The gen's brighter, almost orangey. Anyway, if the factory could improve just those 3 details (without screwing something else on the dial up), I think that would be a significant step forward. And by the sullen look on his face, it appears that Groucho came to the same conclusion......if only........... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stephane Posted December 18, 2007 Report Share Posted December 18, 2007 Thanks for sharing. That red is very very red ! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanuq Posted December 18, 2007 Report Share Posted December 18, 2007 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freddy333 Posted December 18, 2007 Author Report Share Posted December 18, 2007 Great pic, Nanuq. Gen (on left) vs MBW (on right). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
POTR Posted December 18, 2007 Report Share Posted December 18, 2007 Freddy, that DRSD looks like a re-paint to me... Biggest tell other than the letters standing way proud of the dial, and white showing through the red in various places? Notice that the three zeros in 2000 are three different shapes. It might be a Gen, but I don't think it's a Gen DRSD, unless someone tried to restore a redialed DRSD by painting over a replacement white dial. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freddy333 Posted December 18, 2007 Author Report Share Posted December 18, 2007 Freddy, that DRSD looks like a re-paint to me... Biggest tell other than the letters standing way proud of the dial, and white showing through the red in various places? Notice that the three zeros in 2000 are three different shapes. It might be a Gen, but I don't think it's a Gen DRSD, unless someone tried to restore a redialed DRSD by painting over a replacement white dial. The watch is owned by one of the more senior & well respected TZ members and there is a good deal of documentation indicating that the Rolex factory had themselves repainted the red on top of white lettering on some of the DRSD dials. I think there is even a blurb about this on doubleredseadweller somewhere. But, to me, it looks as gen as anything can possibly look when viewed on a computer monitor. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
POTR Posted December 18, 2007 Report Share Posted December 18, 2007 The watch is owned by one of the more senior & well respected TZ members and there is a good deal of documentation indicating that the Rolex factory had themselves repainted the red on top of white lettering on some of the DRSD dials. I think there is even a blurb about this on doubleredseadweller somewhere. But, to me, it looks as gen as anything can possibly look when viewed on a computer monitor. Yes Freddy, I agree the watch is a GEN SeaDweller... but the examples I have seen from the very limited pool of "factory re-paint" DRSD's have ALL faded to PINK. The bright RED of this re-paint just looks too new compared to the rest of the dial, and the dial appears newer than the rest of the watch (compare to hands and dw) ... and the 'paint' doesn't look as 'clean' as I would expect to see. I'll stick to my opinion that it is a repainted re-dial, and if there is documentation from Rolex stating that this is a Double Red, then it is apparently an effort to restore it to it's 'proper' configuration. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yellomen Posted December 18, 2007 Report Share Posted December 18, 2007 Cool picture from TZ Freddie... it looks like a 3th generation dial as the "submariner 2000" has smaller font. This is all documenten on one of the DRSD reference sites. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watchmeister Posted December 18, 2007 Report Share Posted December 18, 2007 I think I would stick with Nanuq's gen dial for reference. I know that computer monitors mess everything up but I have seen two up for auction in the last 3 months at Christie's, they looked like Nanuq's and were priced as if untouched dials. Beautiful watch though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freddy333 Posted December 18, 2007 Author Report Share Posted December 18, 2007 I suppose these watches could be repaints, but I doubt it Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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