894tom Posted February 10, 2008 Report Share Posted February 10, 2008 (edited) I need a new cannon pin (longer one) put into my Pam 6497. This is the Swasian model...or so it was claimed when sold. She's pretty though . I am tired of walking around on pins and needles for a certain crotchety , disheartened, better than thou modder on RWG. You know who you are. I am quite sure there are other modders on this site who can perform this function just fine and won't put down others efforts or mistakes just to progress there own personal business (which, for the record, is coming across as a crotchety, disheartened, never apologizing, get in line and wait or go somewhere else business) Well I am capable of getting in line with someone else . I am quite sure there are others capable and this is not a one horse town as he would like everyone to believe. I have heard several names out there but would like some more names. USA preferable. No need to be scared of posting suggestions here as I said, there are others very capable on RWG.......Lets grow Edited February 11, 2008 by 894tom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bruce79 Posted February 10, 2008 Report Share Posted February 10, 2008 Try TWP I think he just completed this very mod on a fellow member's watch! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
POTR Posted February 10, 2008 Report Share Posted February 10, 2008 I, for one, could. However, I do not wish to stick myself in the muck that is the repair and support of same with questionable movements. Anyone who will, who possesses actual skill and the fortitude to see all jobs to proper completion, deserves much better consideration and remuneration than the Rep community as a whole seems to feel obligated to provide. There is at least one working swiss trained watchmaker in the US here on the forum... I doubt you will see him offer to take your commission either. Not worth the hassle of dealing with someone who wishes quality for next to nothing. (Of course, the whole Rep community is partially built on this misconception) Don't worry though, I am sure you will find someone to take your money with a "good enough" approach and attitude. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
894tom Posted February 10, 2008 Author Report Share Posted February 10, 2008 Perspective check: This is a $200 replica watch. Try not to be so into yourself. I have not heard of you, but your costs probably outweigh the cost of buying a brand new watch so I would not go to you anyway. Remember, my intent is not to knock the craftsman...just the manner in which he comes across as pompus. I am willing to give someone else a try thats all I am saying. I am sure there are many hobbiest out there who can do this job fine and could even break out from under this kind of Pompus behavior with someone who recognizes this for what it is......a $200 rep...not a $5000 gen. Geez, any takers? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
POTR Posted February 10, 2008 Report Share Posted February 10, 2008 I don't work on any watches other than my own. REALITY CHECK: The cost of the watch isn't the issue. The value of labor is. And, on average, rep watches take more labor to repair, maintain or modify than Gen watches. What do YOU do? And are you willing to do the same work for a bunch of people who seen to do nothing but criticize, haggle for lower prices, and bicker like children for less than half the prevailing wage for your labor? What would your feelings be if you did? Of course, the point is probably lost on you... To only pay half of "Burger Flipper" wages for you, would be illegal in the US... lucky you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slai Posted February 10, 2008 Report Share Posted February 10, 2008 I'll do it for you for free ninety-nine.* ** *** **** ***** ****** ******* ********* ********* *I may or may not attach the new cannon pin with a large pointy stick **The stick may not actually be pointy, but rather dull ***Almost club-like really, resembling a baseball bat more than anything else ****Ok, you got me, I'll be using a hoof of a neighbourhood horse *****There are no horses in my neighbourhood ******You may or may not get the watch back. *******If you get your watch back, you may or may not be able to use it to tell time ever again. ********If you are still able to tell time with it, it may not be the right time. *********If you are able to tell the right time with it, it may only occur twice in a day. **********I will be your best friend, or at least appear to be until I have your watch in hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeeJay Posted February 10, 2008 Report Share Posted February 10, 2008 ****If you are still able to tell time with it, it may not be the right time. *****If you are able to tell the right time with it, it may only occur twice in a day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeeJay Posted February 10, 2008 Report Share Posted February 10, 2008 (edited) What do YOU do? And are you willing to do the same work for a bunch of people who seen to do nothing but criticize, haggle for lower prices, and bicker like children for less than half the prevailing wage for your labor? Not directed at me, I know, but, I'll give a quick answer. No, I would not. Then again, I would not offer my services to people like that in the first place. If people choose to advertize their businesses in a certain manner, they must accept that they will get enquiries from all manner of people who frequent that place/thing. Of course, the point is probably lost on you... To only pay half of "Burger Flipper" wages for you, would be illegal in the US... lucky you. That, however, is an unecessary low blow. What someone does for their wages should never be ridiculed. If it were not for 'burger flippers', then millions of people would go without meals. Without street cleaners, our streets would be filled with garbage. Without restroom attendants, conveniences would look like they were hosed down with sewerage, and likely smell like it to. What people have to do to earn their wages is irrelevent in matters of pride, the only time it need be considered, is that those on lower incomes, have to be more carefull how they spend such income, so are less able to afford the luxury of choice in things. Just my .2c Edited February 10, 2008 by TeeJay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pugwash Posted February 10, 2008 Report Share Posted February 10, 2008 I am quite sure there are others capable and this is not a one horse town as he would like everyone to believe. I have heard several names out there but would like some more names. USA preferable. If you were doing it, what would you charge per hour? Now factor in postage and parts. Next, add an insurance cost for the day you botch a member's watch. Now you'll understand why I considered doing mods until I did the maths. Oh, and you need specialist tools to fit a cannon pinion. No, really. Don't get it done by someone who doesn't have a jewel press. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
POTR Posted February 10, 2008 Report Share Posted February 10, 2008 TeeJay, poor dear, confused as ever... my swat was not at burger flippers, but at the worth of the poster... I have done more than my fair share of manual labor, whether required for income, and even without income, simply to take care of the needs of others... AND, I didn't have to be "fashionably revolutionary" to do so.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watchwatcher Posted February 10, 2008 Report Share Posted February 10, 2008 894tom... you have a lot to learn, and from your comments it sounds like you may learn it the hard way. what you refer to as 'crotchety' is careful guidance from one of the few people who isn't afraid to tell it like it is... calling that crotchety is an insult and a MAJOR DIS-SERVICE to this forum. If you had any clue as to how many fly by night modders have either totally messed up or not even returned watches to members here you would stop yapping and start listening.... carefully. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
894tom Posted February 11, 2008 Author Report Share Posted February 11, 2008 Hmmm...so thats a no? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
894tom Posted February 11, 2008 Author Report Share Posted February 11, 2008 (edited) Geez touchy subject ....anyway, thinking outside the box....what about a non-functional pin plug mod that fills that small gap on the short cannon pin. I mean its just a cosmetic thing anyway right? So it will look more authentic? I am sure for a rep watch no one will cry foul if it is plugged instead of replaced with a genuine ETA part. After all there is nothing wrong with the original. The short pin is functional, would a plug (if pushed into the proper location/hand) effect the accuracy of the watch? You would obtain the gen look at a fraction of the cost. Thanks Tee for sticking up for the little man, I still cant afford a gen. Edited February 11, 2008 by 894tom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmt Posted February 11, 2008 Report Share Posted February 11, 2008 This whole post has an un-RWG-ish nastyness about it. Can we move on? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
894tom Posted February 11, 2008 Author Report Share Posted February 11, 2008 Looking at the hands on my watch...I would attach the plug-pin (with epoxy) to the minute hand and make sure the plug does not touch the cannon pin or hour hand. Sounds like a cool rep mod..you would just need to have someone who knows there way around a small lathe. Hmmm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rek001 Posted February 11, 2008 Report Share Posted February 11, 2008 So you just insulted one of the most valuable members of our forum who finds time to give free repair advice to people having problems and now you just breezily move on to another topic? What is wrong with you anyway? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HauteHippie Posted February 11, 2008 Report Share Posted February 11, 2008 894tom, send your watch to TWP or RBJ. Both are in the USA. This will give you some perspective. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
894tom Posted February 11, 2008 Author Report Share Posted February 11, 2008 So you just insulted one of the most valuable members of our forum who finds time to give free repair advice to people having problems and now you just breezily move on to another topic? What is wrong with you anyway? Would you rather I address every attack on me and make this ugly. My true problem resides in the fact that I would like the major flaw of my watch corrected. I have asked several times for help then finally I have to get insultive to get this much responce...and I am the bad guy. I now see alot of modders come out of the woodwork who took this personal, but never took the time to say anything when I asked for help. I never said I didnt want to pay anyone to have the job done. I just said I wanted help. So why don't you get on the people who haven't stepped up to offer help. I have not insulted anyones workmanship or the cost the modders charge. I did say that I was not happy with being treated like I wasn't requesting help. You know sometimes people say things they really don't mean when they are treated as insignificant. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikellem Posted February 11, 2008 Report Share Posted February 11, 2008 Would you rather I address every attack on me and make this ugly. My true problem resides in the fact that I would like the major flaw of my watch corrected. I have asked several times for help then finally I have to get insultive to get this much responce...and I am the bad guy. I now see alot of modders come out of the woodwork who took this personal, but never took the time to say anything when I asked for help. I never said I didnt want to pay anyone to have the job done. I just said I wanted help. So why don't you get on the people who haven't stepped up to offer help. I have not insulted anyones workmanship or the cost the modders charge. I did say that I was not happy with being treated like I wasn't requesting help. You know sometimes people say things they really don't mean when they are treated as insignificant. You have been give all the options. There is no cheap fix! Get it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
894tom Posted February 11, 2008 Author Report Share Posted February 11, 2008 You have been give all the options. There is no cheap fix! Get it? What I get is TWP and RBJ. They is the only two suggestions....and they are ment as insults....although I have never dealt with these guys and do not intent to insult them as the other two guys on here did. Any other suggestions, because I want my options open? I need modders to step forward here and offer to do this job, or give me names of modders to contact. I know I can not be alone on this....eveybody does not want to attend a one horse show. He has plenty of work due to his excellent quality and I am not knocking that, but I am sure someone else can do a professional job as well. Forget about cheap fixes...although I think it is always possible to think outside the box. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest TTK Posted February 11, 2008 Report Share Posted February 11, 2008 (edited) My true problem resides in the fact that I would like the major flaw of my watch corrected. No...your true problem lies in having the major flaw in your character corrected....! If it's that easy...do it yourself.....now.....let me ask you...... Edited February 11, 2008 by TTK Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
doc savage Posted February 11, 2008 Report Share Posted February 11, 2008 Please, who is the one whining here? These things are illegal copies made at the ABSOLUTE lowest cost humanly possible. Who cares who did what to them once they left the "factory"; it's not like they were assembled by master craftspeople in a clean room. All the OP wants is a reasonable option for making them run half as good as they look. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pugwash Posted February 11, 2008 Report Share Posted February 11, 2008 what about a non-functional pin plug mod that fills that small gap on the short cannon pin. Been tried. See Davidsen's capped hands for this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
POTR Posted February 11, 2008 Report Share Posted February 11, 2008 Looking at the hands on my watch...I would attach the plug-pin (with epoxy) to the minute hand and make sure the plug does not touch the cannon pin or hour hand. Sounds like a cool rep mod..you would just need to have someone who knows there way around a small lathe. Hmmm. So, make the minute hand heavier with the fake plug, so it is even more likely to fall off the too short pin, and dig heavier scratches into your dial... Hmmm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
POTR Posted February 11, 2008 Report Share Posted February 11, 2008 Please, who is the one whining here? These things are illegal copies made at the ABSOLUTE lowest cost humanly possible. Who cares who did what to them once they left the "factory"; it's not like they were assembled by master craftspeople in a clean room. All the OP wants is a reasonable option for making them run half as good as they look. A crappy watch is harder to work on than a nice watch... therefore, it is more reasonable to pay more for the extra work and headache. It's not like you can say "They should only pay the cook at McDonalds $2.50 and hour instead of $7.50 an hour because they use Grade D beef instead of Grade A beef that the other guy uses." The cook is still doing the same work, no matter how crappy the burger... Now to criticize the guy that turns horse meat into something of closer resemblance to fillet mignon, for accepting that $2.50 to do it on his own schedule, under his own terms... That is just downright idiotic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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