Obama, Clinton, McCain: International Poll

[bubu]

We at RWC are a great worldwide community. Who do you vote for in the U.S. PRESIDENTIAL RACE ? Which one is best for your region?

Obama

Clinton

McCain

[FasTTaP]

Obama is very popular in France, and when it comes to 'civilisation clash' problems, he's the best option around (since France is much closer to this region of the world, it's a major issue here)

[LordRasta]

Daddy always told me not to discuss politics with friends. But I must admit I am captivated by Obama. He might get in office and screw us all over but at least he's not dodging sniper fire. Basically he's the lesser of two evils right now.

[fitmic]

Obama all the way.

[jkerouac]

Did anyone catch the recent TR Reid documentary on health care systems around the world? My PBS station aired it last night. Reid profiled the pluses and minuses of the British, Japanese, German, Taiwanese, and Swiss health care systems, and compared them to the U.S. model. We pay far more per capita on health care than any other country, yet we rank around 30th in the quality of health care worldwide. There is tons of room for reform and improvement, and for years I have considered it the number 1 issue that US leaders need to address.

The point is that McCain has no real health care proposals, Clinton has the most comprehensive proposal, and Obama proposes a plan that is less comprehensive than Clinton's. On that basis alone -- and the fact that I presume Clinton learned a lot from the drubbing she took during her previous foray into health care while Bill was president -- I would vote for Hillary.

But Obama is the better all around candidate and, I believe, would make a more effective leader.

[the osteopath]

I am working for the Obama campaign here in Philadelphia.

As a physician, who lived through Hilary's attempt to 'reform' health care, I find her odious- and I am really not interested in all of the drama which would likely come with another Clinton White House. I'll have to back her if somehow she's the nominee, because an alien anal probe would be much better than...

John McCain. If you are happy with the job Bush has done for the past 8 years, happy with the war, happy with the economy, happy with the glorious foreign and domestic policies, then vote for McCain- you'll get more of the same, and likely another war with Iran (bomb, bomb, bomb....bomb, bomb Iran he has sung more than once to the tune of Barbara Ann by the Beach Boys.)

Obama has ran a good campaign, and despite his inexperience has already demonstrated a readiness to play with the big boys. His health plan while not as initially comprehensive, is much more realistic given the power of the insurance lobby here in the US. Also, I think the rest of the world could use to see someone who looks a little different than the past Presidents- especially in the Middle East- where we are clearly going to have to rework Americ's foreign policy.

OBAMA in '08!!!!!!

-O (as in Obama!)

[UB7]

The Clinton family, and Hillary in specific will say or do anything it takes to win. Even if that means outright lying (which she has done repeatedly throughout the campaign). McSame said he would stay in iraq for the next 100 years and thats a scary thought considering it costs us $10,000 a second and thousands of lives lost. Not to mention it's causing major depressive disorder in Americans, causing thousands of US soldier suicides each year (and thousands more cases of PTSD and major depressive disorder and psychotic breaks), and has caused more than 600,000 innocent civilian casualties and hundreds of thousands more displacements and injuries for Iraqi civilians.. McSame is simply too old. On hardball last night he said that he went on "The View" to get in touch with the young voters across the country. Young voters watch the view??? LOL you've got to be kidding me, 60 year old women watch the view - this just shows how out of touch he really is. Obama on the other hand is uplifting and his ability to bring people together is extremely unique. He's the best public speaker since MLK. He's the Jacky Robinson of politics. He is also passionatly anti-war, and really wants to change this country and move it in the right direction. After the PA primary next week, i'm hoping Billary gets out of this race as all the in fighting is tearing the democratic party apart, not to mention it's giving McCain a free pass until the general. In the very small chance that it does go to the convention, and Hillary wins (very unlikely) than we will have another 8 years of Bush.

[the osteopath]

The Clinton family, and Hillary in specific will say or do anything it takes to win. Even if that means outright lying (which she has done repeatedly throughout the campaign). McSame said he would stay in iraq for the next 100 years and thats a scary thought considering it costs us $10,000 a second and thousands of lives lost. Not to mention it's causing major depressive disorder in Americans, causing thousands of US soldier suicides each year (and thousands more cases of PTSD and major depressive disorder and psychotic breaks), and has caused more than 600,000 innocent civilian casualties and hundreds of thousands more displacements and injuries for Iraqi civilians.. McSame is simply too old. On hardball last night he said that he went on "The View" to get in touch with the young voters across the country. Young voters watch the view??? LOL you've got to be kidding me, 60 year old women watch the view - this just shows how out of touch he really is. Obama on the other hand is uplifting and his ability to bring people together is extremely unique. He's the best public speaker since MLK. He's the Jacky Robison of politics. He is also passionatly anti-war, and really wants to change this country and move it in the right direction. After the PA primary next week, i'm hoping Billary gets out of this race as all the in fighting is tearing the democratic party apart, not to mention it's giving McCain a free pass until the general. In the very small chance that it does go to the convention, and Hillary wins (very unlikely) than we will have another 8 years of Bush.

You are right about her willingness to say or do anything. you are also right about the free pass McBush is getting. If it goes to the convention, I will be so amazingly disappointed. I cant even imagine that.

-O

[Guest asad]

OBAMA!

Edited April 16, 2008 by asad

[LordRasta]

Let me add something about the Hillary Health Care Plan.... My wife works for an insurance company that does medical malpractice. They have outstanding health care for the employees/families so naturally that is what we use and my company actually gives me $150 a month for NOT using their health care benefits. Now unless I missed something during the throwing of the kitchen sink, the lies and the sniper fire I was dodging, her plan will force EVERYONE to have coverage and they will take it out of your check if necessary. What about in my case? I have coverage. Will I be forced to get coverage as opposed to being covered on someone else's? I would be extremely pi$$ed if that were the case.

[dluddy]

Nothing against your wife and her company LR but isn't it the Insurance companies and malpractice litigations that got us in this mess in the first place

[LordRasta]

Nothing against your wife and her company LR but isn't it the Insurance companies and malpractice litigations that got us in this mess in the first place

You sir are 100% absolutely correct. They have doctors paying in excess of $10,000 USD a month for their premiums!

[beanyboy]

Obama may be the nominee for the Democrats, but McCain is the next POTUS...Obama is a posuer and a false messiah, IMHO. Once the teleprompter stops and the Oprah-speak ends, he's just a stuttering socialist/community organizier.

Clinton is the much better candidate for the Democrats, and I suspect she'll still pull it off. But I doubt she can beat McCain either.

BTW, have any of you noticed how the Europeans (or at least France, Germany and Italy) have all elected avowed conservatives? I have. People vote for this kind of candidate. Pie in the sky hope messiahs like Obama generally loose, mainly because people don't want to be taxed to pay for their (likely) failed and expensive policy initiatives.

[jkerouac]

I used to like McCain when he actually stood for straight talk. The problem is that he realized the Republicans would never make him hteir candidate until he sucked up to Bush and his policies. So he parked the Straight Talk Express and is the real "say-anything-to-get-elected" candidate in this election.

As for Obama's credentials, I kind of like the idea of having a former professor of constitutional law in the White House -- a definite change of pace from the current crew.

[beanyboy]

I used to like McCain when he actually stood for straight talk. The problem is that he realized the Republicans would never make him hteir candidate until he sucked up to Bush and his policies. So he parked the Straight Talk Express and is the real "say-anything-to-get-elected" candidate in this election.

As for Obama's credentials, I kind of like the idea of having a former professor of constitutional law in the White House -- a definite change of pace from the current crew.

I don't like McCain either...as for Obama, he's never been a "professor" of anything. He was an "adjunct lecturer" at the University of Chicago Law School. Very big difference. He used to come in a chat about being a community organizer, et al. Judging from a few of Obama's off-Oprah-speak musings, he knows nothing about Constitutional law other than the code-like crap they teach you in law school to pass the state bar. I should know, I am an attorney.

I am fascinating by the fascination for Obama...he really does have a charisma that can't be denied. I also beleive that he's the Age of Oprah candidate. He's a mile wide but an inch deep, and not nearly experience enough to be POTUS. If the Democrats nominate this guy, it's election suicide. Then we're stuck with a dumb ass*ole like McCain.

[UB7]

I don't like McCain either...as for Obama, he's never been a "professor" of anything. He was an "adjunct lecturer" at the University of Chicago Law School. Very big difference. He used to come in a chat about being a community organizer, et al. Judging from a few of Obama's off-Oprah-speak musings, he knows nothing about Constitutional law other than the code-like crap they teach you in law school to pass the state bar. I should know, I am an attorney.

He knows nothing about constitutional law?? Well first off, he went to Harvard law (graduated magna [censored] laude) and was the first African American president of the law review. He also graduated from Columbia University, where he majored in political science and specialized in international relations. Like you mentioned, he taught at the University of Chicago Law School as a senior lecturer specializing in constitutional law. Later on in his career, he worked as a civil rights attorney where he was a senior associate at a very well respected firm. So I assure you he knows plenty about constitutional law. Yes you're certainly right about the codified crap they teach you to pass the bar, and as an attorney myself - the teachers and lecturer's at my law school were brilliant, elite master's of their field. And they certainly don't go out and hire an unqualified individual to be the president of the harvard law review. If anything, he's overly credentialed and like somone said above - I really like the idea of having a lawyer as our next president. We're on the same team bean, and as long as McCain doesn't win i'll be somewhat satisfied. I think its rediculous that people like him because he's a "warrior", because he will not waver or hesitate. The truth is, when that phone rings @ 3AM he will give the order that will send thousands of men to die - a scary thought. Yes, experience is important and Obama has that being in the Senate (and he's been quite successful in Illinois) - but good judgement is even more important.

[KB]

Speaking as a rank outsider it does look like there is only one thing that can stop Obama from being the next US President and the world does not need anymore JFK situations, thank you very much.

To elect Obama would be a very large step in completing MLK's "I have a dream"

Not that I am saying that is policy enough to win Presidency but it is a nice thought.

Ken

[beanyboy]

He knows nothing about constitutional law?? Well first off, he went to Harvard law (graduated magna [censored] laude) and was the first African American president of the law review. He also graduated from Columbia University, where he majored in political science and specialized in international relations. Like you mentioned, he taught at the University of Chicago Law School as a senior lecturer specializing in constitutional law. Later on in his career, he worked as a civil rights attorney where he was a senior associate at a very well respected firm. So I assure you he knows plenty about constitutional law. Yes you're certainly right about the codified crap they teach you to pass the bar, and as an attorney myself - the teachers and lecturer's at my law school were brilliant, elite master's of their field. And they certainly don't go out and hire an unqualified individual to be the president of the harvard law review. If anything, he's overly credentialed and like somone said above - I really like the idea of having a lawyer as our next president. We're on the same team bean, and as long as McCain doesn't win i'll be somewhat satisfied. I think its rediculous that people like him because he's a "warrior", because he will not waver or hesitate. The truth is, when that phone rings @ 3AM he will give the order that will send thousands of men to die - a scary thought. Yes, experience is important and Obama has that being in the Senate (and he's been quite successful in Illinois) - but good judgement is even more important.

I concede that Obama went to good schools, but then so did I (Yale, UVA and Univ. of Chicago) and maybe you did too. I think that's neither here nor there. But Obama has a very low chance of getting elected POTUS. His supposed deep and pithy knowledge of American con law won't help him there. It could even hurt him. And it's not the race issue either. I think being half black actually helps him. What kills his chance of election is that he's way too far to the left for most average Americans. That's why I don't even think he'll get the nomination. Hillary will get it at the convention in Denver. I bet $1000 on Intrade and hope to cash in. Maybe I won't, but it's sure fun watching Hil and Barach rip each other apart.

Anyway, whatever happens there, McCain the As*hole is the next POTUS. Book it.

[jdkno]

I go for McCain, and while most see his view on the war as his downfall I feel it will be what gets him in the whitehouse.

And there is one other thing that will keep Obama out of the whitehouse....Jeremiah Wright. No way you go to a church for that long without sharing their views.

[jfreeman420]

Obama hasn't said a thing profound IMO. The Clinton years were the best in this country since I have been alive and I would love for those days to be back. It is scary to me that the American people are naive enough to buy into Obama's preacher like ramblings. I guess the attraction is that he is unlike anyone that has been in office before and the people want a complete 180 degree turn from Bush. I also think that his Christianity has a lot to do with it which is also dissapointing because religion has no place in politics.

Flame me if you will, but noone seems to realize the fact that Obama is a radical racist. He claims that for the 30 some odd years he went to church with his preacher he never heard him talk about "the white man". Come on. He changed his name from Barry to Barak. The guy preaches how race should be left out of the election but that is all you hear from Oprah touting DR MLK's dream. This guy will run this country further into the ground than it already is. Hillary is a politician's politician. She knows how to play the game and she knows how to get things done. Plus Bill will be right with her.

Obama may get the nominee but there is no way he will be the next president. Reality is that John Mccain will be in office soon enough. Thank god for the electoral college. I forget which president it was but it was once said that the American people aren't smart enough to know who is best for the presidency. I concur.............

[beanyboy]

Obama hasn't said a thing profound IMO. The Clinton years were the best in this country since I have been alive and I would love for those days to be back. It is scary to me that the American people are naive enough to buy into Obama's preacher like ramblings. I guess the attraction is that he is unlike anyone that has been in office before and the people want a complete 180 degree turn from Bush. I also think that his Christianity has a lot to do with it which is also dissapointing because religion has no place in politics.

Flame me if you will, but noone seems to realize the fact that Obama is a radical racist. He claims that for the 30 some odd years he went to church with his preacher he never heard him talk about "the white man". Come on. He changed his name from Barry to Barak. The guy preaches how race should be left out of the election but that is all you hear from Oprah touting DR MLK's dream. This guy will run this country further into the ground than it already is. Hillary is a politician's politician. She knows how to play the game and she knows how to get things done. Plus Bill will be right with her.

Obama may get the nominee but there is no way he will be the next president. Reality is that John Mccain will be in office soon enough. Thank god for the electoral college. I forget which president it was but it was once said that the American people aren't smart enough to know who is best for the presidency. I concur.............

Obama may likely be the first "black" POTUS, but not in 2008. Just doesn't seem right to me. He needs to get some depth to his message, because I for one don't see anything meaningful in his "audacity of hope" message. I am not even sure what it means! I listened to his stump speech once and have never seen somebody get more applause for saying a bunch of empty, meaningless jargony Oprah catchphrases. Obama has a lot of talent, no doubt, but he needs a decade or so of experience in the Senate (or Illinois governor, etc.) to put some meat on his bones so to speak. He's only 45, so he's got plenty of time...

Sadly, McCain in the next POTUS...the GOP keeps the white house, as they have for about 80% of the last 150 years...

[jfreeman420]

I agree with the above. Obama is quite talented, but his inexperience is apparent. He has good ideas, but many unrealistic goals and promises. His popularity is due to his optimistic nature but no one will be able to accomplish half the things he says he will do.

[tenacious_b]

If any of those 3 clowns gets elected, we are all hosed. I have long understood that both Democrats and Republicans in almost any flavor of liberal or conservative are all part of the same system, put in place by the powers that be to give the mouth-breathing masses the pacifying illusion of choice. In the final analysis, the three liklies are all part of the same bad joke on the American people, and regardless of who wins the election, things will continue on much as they have for centuries, with very little tangible change, a grocery list of broken promises, and to the ultimate benefit of the private banking institutions and old money families that serve as puppet masters to the hood ornament that is the American presidency.

I campaigned for Ron Paul this year, and learned a lot about the electoral process, more than I ever have in the 16 years that I've been eligible to vote, and I learned what caucusing and conventioneering is about, how the electoral college works, who they answer to etc., and I also learned that the popular vote where all eligible American voters, who feel compelled to do so, run out to the hacker-ready voting machines to cast their meaningless votes. And that's the long and short of it....the popular vote means nothing, and is just another illusory cog in the larger machine of deception. Ron Paul, in my opinion, represents the last foreseeable hope for this country. I say represents instead of represented because, though Ron Paul will almost certainly not win the presidency, he has managed mobilize the grass roots in a way that has not been seen in a long time. I can only hope that Dr. Paul’s message will resonate in the American people in the years to come, and that those who have squandered their votes on Billary, Osama, or Needs-a-cain will see that the status quo four years from now will be much the same or worse than it is today. At that point, I hope and expect to see droves of sleep-walking Americans awaken en masse from their collective slumber and embrace the principles of freedom, constitutional government, and our inalienable rights which have been eroded grain by grain by an increasingly fascist-leaning government that sold our economy's solvency down the river when they turned our banking system over to the private federal reserve banking system, did away with our gold standard, and now is taking baby steps toward selling out our sovereignty as they sell of our infrastructure to foreign companies, and engage in "talks" behind the backs of the American people, planning to impose upon us a North American Union that most of us despise. Our personal freedoms are disappearing at an alarming rate; each freedom a sacraficial lamb to the slaughter to appease the new false god our government has thrust upon us - terrorism. Our government denies documented facts that are open for all to confirm, and takes away our freedom a little at a time, knowing this is how to subjugate a people, slowly and with lies, over time, while they are sleeping, so as to avoid armed revolt. And then, one day, upon waking at the time that the government has appointed for us to wake up each day, in a new bill that was passed without a single congressman reading it, we will all sit staring blankly at the walls, and wonder, how it has come to this. We will grasp and grope through the mental fog for an answer to “when and where did we lose our freedoms?”...a fog caused the mandated food additives, gmo foods, and pharmaceuticals mandated by the state subsidized health care plans. And the answer to that question will ring through the fog with sobering and resounding clarity, "right here, right now, while you all were sleeping."

If this is threadcrapping, I apologize. I am not a conspiracy nut nor am I a member of the lunatic fringe. I am simply awake, aware, lucid, and appalled.

Bryan

[Richard Tracy]

Interesting how many people, verses doing research into their 'opinions' parrot what they have heard, shoot from their hip, or are too willing to swallow toxic spin, if it fits what they want to believe.

Regarding Obama,.. if you would say he lacks experience to be president, then you would not have voted for Lincoln either.

If you would call him Racist, by what his older generation preacher said,. a man who lived through some of the worst racism, but would then totally bypass what Paul has himself said regarding Race,.. then read paragraph one....

[tenacious_b]

I am not sure if you were responding to me directly or to the thread in general, but I did not pick apart any candidate over one issue or another; just that they are all the same at the end of the day, and don't really stand to impact things one way or the other anyway. As far as Ron Paul's comments on race from the early 1990's, i doubt that his statements were reported fairly and accurately. The media has all but tried to deny Paul's existance throughout this campaign. And just because Pauls comments on their being a crime problem among black males in D.C. and called the government of Israel a dangerous lobby group, does not mean that he is a racist. That being said, I appreciate your opinion and the opportunity to debate.

Edit to add this link to Paul's view on race: hxxp://www.classicalvalues.com/archives/2007/10/ron_paul_on_rac.html (replace the xx with tt)

Interesting how many people, verses doing research into their 'opinions' parrot what they have heard, shoot from their hip, or are too willing to swallow toxic spin, if it fits what they want to believe.

Regarding Obama,.. if you would say he lacks experience to be president, then you would not have voted for Lincoln either.

If you would call him Racist, by what his older generation preacher said,. a man who lived through some of the worst racism, but would then totally bypass what Paul has himself said regarding Race,.. then read paragraph one....