vlydog Posted April 20, 2008 Report Share Posted April 20, 2008 I got a jones for another base pam. This time I want a case-back model and have been considering the 000. Just the other day I noticed this post by Davidsen: http://www.rwg.cc/members/index.php?showtopic=71442&hl= Pros and Cons? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peepshow Posted April 20, 2008 Report Share Posted April 20, 2008 The print looks a bit grey-ish white to me. The logo is the "long arrow" version which I think was only the first year of the 005, but it looks cool. Overall, I'd say it's easily one of the more accurate 000 dials ever available and may well be the ONLY one currently available... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PAMman Posted April 20, 2008 Report Share Posted April 20, 2008 Very poor logo and the whole dial printing looks very unsharp. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vlydog Posted April 21, 2008 Author Report Share Posted April 21, 2008 Thank you for the responses PAMman and peepshow. Does anyone else have a opinion to share? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest asad Posted April 21, 2008 Report Share Posted April 21, 2008 Its NO good! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankt Posted April 21, 2008 Report Share Posted April 21, 2008 Seriously...Educate me...What makes this a $300.-380. watch...???....I have seen very similar APPARENT quality offerings for @ 1/2 that much...What does Dsn do differently than other dealers ?..(besides ship watches with stripped lug threads of course!!).. ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victoria Posted April 21, 2008 Report Share Posted April 21, 2008 Seriously...Educate me...What makes this a $300.-380. watch...???....I have seen very similar APPARENT quality offerings for @ 1/2 that much...What does Dsn do differently than other dealers ?..(besides ship watches with stripped lug threads of course!!).. ;) Not that I disagree entirely. But once you've seen and held a Davidsen watch, especially next to other PAM reps, there is no contest. It looks and FEELS much more finished. Again, it's about accuracy versus quality. Since I am not trying to fool PAM experts, I go for the quality -- which then translates into confidence in wearing it. That's a Davidsen watch for me. P.S.: Only once did I get a semblence of that feeling, in a non-DSN. It was an Eddie Lee Fiddy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vlydog Posted April 21, 2008 Author Report Share Posted April 21, 2008 asad would you care to elaborate? Thank you Victoria. I am a quality over quantity kind of guy and usually do exhaustive research to find it. That being said, I take steps to modify my reps to be as close to the real thing as possible. Wouldn't this watch serve both my objectives well? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishgodeep Posted April 21, 2008 Report Share Posted April 21, 2008 Dial is another classic DSN - some things better .....some things worse. - text / logo / lume colour / thickness etc... More concerning for me is the case set ....if this is the 201A case (the CG is the same) then the crown is not central within the guard (or the guard does not sit central over the crown) making winding uncomfortable and uneven Also the height of the bezel and 2 screw lug bars is going to be so wrong on an 000 base. In the end it's a rep and 10% of the cost of a gen. DSN's service has always been good IMHO and he is genuinely a watch enthusiast....but not enough to get this "simple" dial 100% correct. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest asad Posted April 21, 2008 Report Share Posted April 21, 2008 asad would you care to elaborate? Well to start he text is quite ways off the LOGO also is too thick which makes it not clear. Here is my GEN for comparison: Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vlydog Posted April 21, 2008 Author Report Share Posted April 21, 2008 Well to start he text is quite ways off the LOGO also is too thick which makes it not clear. Here is my GEN for comparison: Thanks Thank you asad for your gen picture. This really gives me more perspective and a much better sense of contrast. I see from your signature that you too own a 219. Base love brother. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PAMman Posted April 21, 2008 Report Share Posted April 21, 2008 (edited) Well to start he text is quite ways off the LOGO also is too thick which makes it not clear. Here is my GEN for comparison: Thanks GEN, my ass. Asad, you really are winding us up. Can we have a tutorial on fixing the 'A's please, although, to be honest, I think that you have 'over corrected' this one? Edited April 21, 2008 by PAMman Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
55evp Posted April 22, 2008 Report Share Posted April 22, 2008 GEN, my ass. Asad, you really are winding us up. Can we have a tutorial on fixing the 'A's please, although, to be honest, I think that you have 'over corrected' this one? just put some popcorn in the microwave, this could be good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peepshow Posted April 22, 2008 Report Share Posted April 22, 2008 Hmmmm, there is something "different" about that crown. Here's my gen 002 for comparison... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PAMman Posted April 22, 2008 Report Share Posted April 22, 2008 Hmmmm, there is something "different" about that crown. Here's my gen 002 for comparison... Asad's 000 watch is a rep. The crown is wrong and so is the crownguard but the biggest flaw in the rep 000 dail is the 'R' which has a straight front leg instead of the correct gen / normal rep 'R'. However the rep 000 dial is the only logo dial to get the logo correct and the print quality is really good, but then it's let down by the incorrect 'R'. Another case of 'one step forwards, two steps back'. If only the talents that produce the top-class, relatively complicated dials, such as the Steelfish, Slevin etc, got involved in rep Panerais then we would get proper dials. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peepshow Posted April 22, 2008 Report Share Posted April 22, 2008 Holy crap! I never noticed the "R"s before PAMman. Thanks for that! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archibald Posted April 22, 2008 Report Share Posted April 22, 2008 So, Asad, you going to tell us how you fixed the "A's"? On edit: never mind...thanks to the super-sharpen feature in photoshop CS3, I see how you did it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
PAMman Posted April 22, 2008 Report Share Posted April 22, 2008 So, Asad, you going to tell us how you fixed the "A's"? On edit: never mind...thanks to the super-sharpen feature in photoshop CS3, I see how you did it. Does this mean that they are fixed in Photoshop only and not on the actual dial? I have thought of trying a micro piece of black dry-transfer lettering (Letraset) in a triangular shape to fill the inside of the A down to the crossbar level, thus removing the crossbar altogether, then applying a new crossbar in white Letraset on top of the black. I doubt if the modification would be visible to the naked eye as the black on black would be undetectable, particularly as it would be framed by the white of the A. The base 002 dial is the obvious candidate for this project because there are only 2 As and no other flaws, but these are so scarce that its a risky experiment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TK471 Posted April 22, 2008 Report Share Posted April 22, 2008 You want gen? Here's mine for comparison. I think these pics make it pretty darn clear that there's just about nothing right on DSN's dial. Fonts on printing is off. Numerals are off. Crown is off. Crown guard is off. That said, a rep is a rep, so you decide if these things are important. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archibald Posted April 22, 2008 Report Share Posted April 22, 2008 Does this mean that they are fixed in Photoshop only and not on the actual dial? I have thought of trying a micro piece of black dry-transfer lettering (Letraset) in a triangular shape to fill the inside of the A down to the crossbar level, thus removing the crossbar altogether, then applying a new crossbar in white Letraset on top of the black. I doubt if the modification would be visible to the naked eye as the black on black would be undetectable, particularly as it would be framed by the white of the A. The base 002 dial is the obvious candidate for this project because there are only 2 As and no other flaws, but these are so scarce that its a risky experiment. Let's put it this way: most of us wouldn't be very interested in duplicating asad's method. I've just started working on this issue. I have the euipment needed to cut any thin material at tremendously tight tolerances, like .005mm, and I figure there are two ways to go about the job: make a stencil out of some kind of clear masking material to paint or to cut out the actual letters or parts of letters out of Letraset or some other kind of static or glue adhesive vinyl. I don't think the black-out step would be necessary since I understand the white ink is pretty easy to remove, even just the crossbar if you have a steady hand. Of course, the appropriate vector file would have to be made first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victoria Posted April 22, 2008 Report Share Posted April 22, 2008 Asad's 000 watch is a rep. The crown is wrong and so is the crownguard but the biggest flaw in the rep 000 dail is the 'R' which has a straight front leg instead of the correct gen / normal rep 'R'. However the rep 000 dial is the only logo dial to get the logo correct and the print quality is really good, but then it's let down by the incorrect 'R'. Another case of 'one step forwards, two steps back'. What a treasure you and Sssurfer are, PAMman. One can only hope to have your eye and knowledge about Panerai reps. If only the talents that produce the top-class, relatively complicated dials, such as the Steelfish, Slevin etc, got involved in rep Panerais then we would get proper dials. So why don't they? Seriously, they would make a heck of a lot more money, than concentrating on Breitlings and IWC. The market for Panerai is insatiable, so it's a deep mystery to us all. @TK471: Thanks for posting pics of your real gen! I still want the 005, but the base 000 is beginning to look mighty scrumptious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TK471 Posted April 22, 2008 Report Share Posted April 22, 2008 No problem. Still, Asad's watch (he's been posting on Risti as if it were a gen) looks mighty convincing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest asad Posted April 22, 2008 Report Share Posted April 22, 2008 (edited) Wow guys, how is mine a fake. I had it authenticated by my PAM AD and have authentication paper work prooving that it is real! and I am aware that the CG is different from the it came with as I personally changed it out for a polished one. Here is the original shot when I had first recived it: Edited April 22, 2008 by asad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victoria Posted April 22, 2008 Report Share Posted April 22, 2008 No problem. Still, Asad's watch (he's been posting on Risti as if it were a gen) looks mighty convincing. Oh no! I genuinely thought Asad was just winding the experts up. Kind of like "test your knowledge of reps". Asad, if that's true, don't darling...that's bad news for everyone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victoria Posted April 22, 2008 Report Share Posted April 22, 2008 Wow guys, how is mine a fake. I had it authenticated by my PAM AD and have authentication paper work prooving that it is real! This is what frightens me. That I may go to an unscrupulous AD and purchase a fake for $$$. I hope to count with your eyes, guys, when I buy my gen...I'm posting copious photos on RWG. Asad, I'm sorry if you got taken. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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