RVD Posted July 10, 2008 Report Share Posted July 10, 2008 Here are some pics of 2 Rolex Submariners (16610). Any opinions on rep vs. gen and quality? Do you think both are obvious reps? Both obvious gens (ok, I'll give it away...they're not both gens). One rep, one gen? There are a few members with inside info so they should refrain for a little while. enjoy. RVD. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DuDro Posted July 10, 2008 Report Share Posted July 10, 2008 As stated before in other threads...the dead give-away is the overly-noticeable crown etched on the crystal. Aside from that...looks pretty good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrandazzo Posted July 10, 2008 Report Share Posted July 10, 2008 Ok, let's try! Rep: Left Gen: Right Better index lume, better dial, better rehaut. If I'm wrong....well, I like it more! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gplracer Posted July 10, 2008 Report Share Posted July 10, 2008 My first try ever.... I would say both are reps because of the low crown position. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrandazzo Posted July 10, 2008 Report Share Posted July 10, 2008 (edited) I would like to add that the cyclope position is weird too... Or is it just me? Seems too far right.... Edited July 10, 2008 by mrandazzo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HauteHippie Posted July 10, 2008 Report Share Posted July 10, 2008 The left one is a rep, the right one is a damn good rep and probably gen... I'd actually need some views that aren't provided in your pics to be totally comfortable with the diagnosis, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
By-Tor Posted July 10, 2008 Report Share Posted July 10, 2008 The left one is a bad rep. Cyclops is way too right and it has ZERO rehaut thickness. Very obvious. The right one... difficult to tell from these pics, as they're less than stellar. Very unnatural lighting. But let me guess: The right one... rehaut looks too deep and it doesn't seem have the correct "cylinder" below the crystal (or then the lighting in your picture is distorting it and making it too smooth). Also, either it's the lighting again, or then there's not enough rehaut thickness. I suspect it's the old TW/MBW case. Also, the SEL isn't tight enough, the springbar is shining through from the SEL edges. See the next pic (SEL upper corner left, where your index finger is) Cg's looks excellent, crown is genuine, gen pearl, maybe a gen date font overlay. Very good rep... that's my guess. If you post a bit better pics, It'll be much easier to tell. PS: I'm talking about this one. Is this is the right one? If this is the left one, I need to rethink. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir-Lancelot Posted July 10, 2008 Report Share Posted July 10, 2008 On the left 100% sure it's a rep. On the right, I say a very nice rep. The crown guards are perfect and it has lots of gen parts. Maybe a Gen dial, hard to say 100% from your pictures. Whatever it is, it's nice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RVD Posted July 11, 2008 Author Report Share Posted July 11, 2008 very nice analysis everyone. Sorry for the bad pictures. It was late last night and I don't have a lightbox or good lighting but I do have a decent macro lens so I used it. The left one was a rep from PureTime purchased about 6 months ago. It's decent but the pearl is not accurate, etc. The one on the right is an excellent rep just purchased here on the board. It has a MBW case with genuine pearl, genuine crown, modified crown guards, noob dial, swiss ETA movement, etc. The dial looks pretty different in both. The left one has a bolder font. The laser etch is really not visible. I had to try really hard to get just the right angle to take that picture. I have a noobfactory one on the way so I'll see how that compares. Then I'll probably sell the PureTime one and noobfactory. RVD. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dizzy Posted July 11, 2008 Report Share Posted July 11, 2008 yay MBW franken!!! haha awesome watch my friend. I have the same one.. noob dial and bracelet, MBW case.. gen crown. Very nice watch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoJo35 Posted July 11, 2008 Report Share Posted July 11, 2008 I'd say the one on the right is gen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmt Posted July 11, 2008 Report Share Posted July 11, 2008 The left one is a bad rep. Cyclops is way too right and it has ZERO rehaut thickness. Very obvious. The right one... difficult to tell from these pics, as they're less than stellar. Very unnatural lighting. But let me guess: The right one... rehaut looks too deep and it doesn't seem have the correct "cylinder" below the crystal (or then the lighting in your picture is distorting it and making it too smooth). Also, either it's the lighting again, or then there's not enough rehaut thickness. I suspect it's the old TW/MBW case. Also, the SEL isn't tight enough, the springbar is shining through from the SEL edges. See the next pic (SEL upper corner left, where your index finger is) Cg's looks excellent, crown is genuine, gen pearl, maybe a gen date font overlay. Very good rep... that's my guess. If you post a bit better pics, It'll be much easier to tell. PS: I'm talking about this one. Is this is the right one? If this is the left one, I need to rethink. Completely agree. I think the one on the right is an MBW judging by the mag, rehaut, and loose-ish end-link. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RVD Posted July 11, 2008 Author Report Share Posted July 11, 2008 yeah the one on the right is really nice. thanks jojo! RVD. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmt Posted July 11, 2008 Report Share Posted July 11, 2008 yeah the one on the right is really nice. thanks jojo! RVD. So... what's the truth??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RVD Posted July 12, 2008 Author Report Share Posted July 12, 2008 So... what's the truth??? well, the one on the left was a rep purchased about 6 months ago from Angus. the one on the right was purchased from jojo. jojo bought it from bklm1234. it started as the MBW and then they got it lumed, gen crown, gen pearl, changed out the dial to the noob dial, and shaved the crown guards. it's a rep but done very well. in other words, both are reps but one has a lot of custom mods (include gen mods) while the other was standard rep from a decent dealer. RVD. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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