patfvl Posted October 3, 2008 Report Share Posted October 3, 2008 (edited) That's it. I Edited October 3, 2008 by patfvl Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bklm1234 Posted October 3, 2008 Report Share Posted October 3, 2008 @im2: this is the one mill here -bk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bklm1234 Posted October 3, 2008 Report Share Posted October 3, 2008 @patfvl: I got exactly the same watch as yours from Josh last year. It also exactly has the same problem as the MBK/MBW/Euromariner. -bk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tribal Posted October 3, 2008 Report Share Posted October 3, 2008 I had no problem to install a gen Insert?!? maybe there are some differences in shape from factory?!? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray T Posted October 3, 2008 Report Share Posted October 3, 2008 Bk, any chance you can put that between a caliper and let us know how thick yours measures? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bklm1234 Posted October 3, 2008 Report Share Posted October 3, 2008 @tribal: typical inconsistency in reps. But we know why and how to fix it if you unluckily got one like this. @Ray T: I already shaved it and put everything together so I don't know how thick it was originally. I can measure mine from Josh which I haven't assembled everything yet. I'll come back to this thread when I did. -bk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blue_sphere Posted October 4, 2008 Report Share Posted October 4, 2008 I had the same problem as BK. I will hopefully have a full writeup on euromariner fixes. I am working on two right now trying to get everything sparkling. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
highoeyazmuhudee Posted October 5, 2008 Report Share Posted October 5, 2008 I had the same problem as BK. I will hopefully have a full writeup on euromariner fixes. I am working on two right now trying to get everything sparkling. Awesome! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
im2 Posted October 5, 2008 Author Report Share Posted October 5, 2008 I had the same problem as BK. I will hopefully have a full writeup on euromariner fixes. I am working on two right now trying to get everything sparkling. Yes!! That is exactly what i told Chris i am thinking of! I will be very glad to contribute with my experience after my sub project is complete... Lets make a tutorial "how to mod your Euromariner" @BK: Man....Many Many Thanks!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blue_sphere Posted October 6, 2008 Report Share Posted October 6, 2008 I would like to make a note about the crystals... The OFREI crystal has the bevel like the gen on the top. Its beautiful. On the other watch Im working on I am using a clark. Its half the price of OFREI but is missing that top bevel. A small thing, but for those of us that are perfection addicts it makes all the difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
highoeyazmuhudee Posted October 6, 2008 Report Share Posted October 6, 2008 I would like to make a note about the crystals... The OFREI crystal has the bevel like the gen on the top. Its beautiful. On the other watch Im working on I am using a clark. Its half the price of OFREI but is missing that top bevel. A small thing, but for those of us that are perfection addicts it makes all the difference. looks like im gonna have to spend MORE money : p how do the date mags compare between the clarks and ofreis? exact same dimensions and strength? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blue_sphere Posted October 6, 2008 Report Share Posted October 6, 2008 Havent reinstalled dials yet. I will let you know when I get them all back together. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bklm1234 Posted October 6, 2008 Report Share Posted October 6, 2008 I would like to make a note about the crystals... The OFREI crystal has the bevel like the gen on the top. Its beautiful. On the other watch Im working on I am using a clark. Its half the price of OFREI but is missing that top bevel. A small thing, but for those of us that are perfection addicts it makes all the difference. great to know. I gotta head down to OFREI and pick up a couple for myself. -bk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blue_sphere Posted October 6, 2008 Report Share Posted October 6, 2008 Spinmaster is selling gen tube/crown combo for $165 I picked one up for my ETA... mmmmm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blue_sphere Posted October 7, 2008 Report Share Posted October 7, 2008 I tried to get as great a shot as I could. Sadly my camera only does so much. Here you can see the difference in crystal quality... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stilty Posted October 7, 2008 Report Share Posted October 7, 2008 Bk, any chance you can put that between a caliper and let us know how thick yours measures? I finally had an evening free to take a look at my Euromariner. I ordered a Clark's crystal, so I figured I would see if it would fit. Very good IMOP, and I really like dealing with Gary. I pop off the bezel, insert is glued in. I guess that is why the bezel did not turn very smooth or freely. Next I remove the retaining ring and crystal. I'm left with the black rubber gasket and a thin white gasket. The white gasket is not attached to the crystal. I pop out the crystal from the retaining ring, and there is another white gasket in the retaining ring. That is what is holding the crystal in place. I remove the gasket and notice there is a small lip milled into the retaining ring to hold the gasket. Hmmm. seems like a lot of extra work to make this set up. Why not just use the one piece gasket like the gen? Anyway, I measure the retaining ring, and it is 2.95mm thick. There is a raised edge that prevents the insert from fully seating in the bezel. Before I do anything, I test fit the Clark's crystal. Perfect snug fit as gen. I decide it is best to file down the retaining ring before installing. I hand file, then sand, then lightly polish for a nice look. I only removed 0.65mm of material. Retaining ring is now 2.30mm I then install the retaining ring. Very nice fit over the Clark's crystal. Not too tight, yet it require some pressure with the press. Install the washer and click spring, snap on the bezel ring, and it turns free and smooth and feels like a gen. Unfortunately, the insert is slightly too small and does not snap in. It seats down and is slightly recessed and does not rub against the retaining ring, but does not snap in. I'm guessing that is one of the reasons it was glued. I'm waiting for a gen insert, so I'll see how that fits when it arrives. I also had Gary send me a case tube, as the rep tube looks quite poor, and there are some burrs on the inside of the tube from poor machining. I'll replace that later. Sorry, I totally dropped the ball and should have taken some pictures. I wasn't really planning on doing the mods, but once I removed the bezel, I just got right into it and had to see if the crystal would fit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tribal Posted October 7, 2008 Report Share Posted October 7, 2008 You can get the Crystal also from Wholesaleoutlet on the Bay I looks like Gen and has the same bevel like the Offrei one... Only the gasket is bad on this but its really cheap.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ray T Posted October 7, 2008 Report Share Posted October 7, 2008 You can get the Crystal also from Wholesaleoutlet on the Bay I looks like Gen and has the same bevel like the Offrei one... Only the gasket is bad on this but its really cheap.. Can i ask if this is wholesaleoutlet990? Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
im2 Posted October 8, 2008 Author Report Share Posted October 8, 2008 No good news at all (the sad modding story continues..) : The crystal press i ordered (to disassemble the crystal from the bezel construction) arrived today and i just used it ... Well, the crystal took off finally but my fears seem to be realized: The retaining ring is IMPOSSIBLE to separate from the bezel top. I tried to do it with man ways but still... I now strongly believe that too much glue was used here for the insert maybe (as other members confirm) and the glue reached the crystal and the retaining ring leading to: the crystal being impossible to separate from the whole construction and the bezel finding two "hard spots" during the turn cycle (and now being impossible to disassemble)... I' ll contact Chris for that. Well, most of the people here want an perfectly QCed out of the box watch and Eurotimez offers is 100%... but what about us modders? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blue_sphere Posted October 8, 2008 Report Share Posted October 8, 2008 Take a hammer to the crystal and break it then. Dont break the retaining ring. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
patfvl Posted October 8, 2008 Report Share Posted October 8, 2008 Just an idea. If it's a glue problem maybe you can put it Ring and bezel in a pot with acetone and after some time glue will be disolved. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blue_sphere Posted October 9, 2008 Report Share Posted October 9, 2008 Patfvl's idea is better try that. The acetone should dissolve the glue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
highoeyazmuhudee Posted October 9, 2008 Report Share Posted October 9, 2008 i was going to suggest disolving the epoxy, but only if you intend to replace the gasket after anyways. my euro' had a lot of glue in there as well, but i havnt disassembled it fully yet as im still waiting for a bunch of parts to arrive first. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LAWatchFan Posted October 9, 2008 Report Share Posted October 9, 2008 On thing about the bezel and retaining ring. If you try to pull it straight off, it won't budge. However, if you rip out the insert (so you can gain access to the inside lip of the retaining ring, you can kind of try to separate the two by pushing on one side at an angle. It's hard to describe, but basically you've got to push it out on one side. -Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blue_sphere Posted October 10, 2008 Report Share Posted October 10, 2008 As per BK's request here is a better picture of the crystal differences! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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