Pugwash

I have a semi-eidetic memory and it tells me the member was Sony.

Seagull ST18s, if memory serves me well.

You're applying legitimate western business mentality to a problem that's firmly grounded in Chinese counterfeiting business philosophy. Anyone that has worked with eastern suppliers (Clive, fancy commenting?) will tell you: You go into a deal without an understanding of how they do business, you're going to come out with your [censored] in your hands and a big bag full of hollow promises.

Yes, they just wholesale, but Homer in the UK sells them. $500 for the one Phoband got.

I didn't say the entire current price is justified, but the price of making a replica has increased in dollar terms. TTK predicted it would a year ago and he was bang on the money. This hobby is more expensive than it was, much like concert tickets for your local band went up when they got popular. I'm just reporting facts as opposed to taking one side and blindly bashing the pulpit. ps. Oops, this is me trying to stay out of it for a while.

It may have gone un-noticed, but both Josh and Trusty have very recently changed the description of the B&R to say "Asian 4813 Movement".

Oh, and in defence of the price increases, it is clear that ETA movements are significantly more expensive than before and the dollar is significantly weaker.

I'm going to stay out of this one apart from to confirm one thing. The so-called Cartel is real. If you don't believe it, that's fine, but don't be a d1ck about it. "Only dealers that have this watch... Myself and Andrew.. Maybe Puretime and King cos we let them have it." - Jos Nana on the Ultimate Planet Ocean, Nov 2006. "Guys .. dun be a Pug Only 4 dealers have this watch... Slight difference in decriptions...and you guys think maybe there is 4 different versions ? noticed the simialrity in prices ? there is only 2 versions.. Swiss and Asian version...from one maker. Someone pugtent the word "super" so I have no choice but to decribe the lume of the watch as "Outstanding" Lume.. Any relume modder in the house doing "oustanding" lume for USD 90 ? Please tell me....I do not want to step on their tail again....." - Jos Nana on the SFSO, Feb 2007. "For your information, this price will always REMAIN at USD308. Swiss ETA 2824-2 movement is getting real scarce and even the Maker has to buy them in lots to keep. If you dont have connections with some Makers, you cannot even get a Swiss ETA 2836 cheaply. Like Josh say...there are ONLY 4 dealers offering this and they are all the same specs. Every dealer has a different way of calling it. I call my wife... DEAR.... Joshua call his wife..Darling...and the others.. I dont know. LOL... " - Trustywatchguy on the SFSO, Feb 2007.

It sounds like conformation of what we previously thought. Surplus ETA movements. I see no reason not to take this on face value. Thanks for the informative post, P4GTR.

"By Dabe id Djobn Berrik ... And We Are Ba Berrik Gboup! Hebbo Clebelund!"

Will timewasters be an ongoing series?

That's because it's a genuine vintage Rolex.

I decided to get an old favourite out. Wristshot in Paris: Wristshot in Scotland: Spot the difference.

Well, apparently, the most accurate available is the Railmaster and best in my opinion is the Ultimate PO. Everything else (including links) is here: http://www.rwg.cc/members/index.php?showtopic=426 cop-out link? Sure, but it's got all the links you'd need. By no means take this set-back as a reason not to try to get info, by the way.

Then bring it back on track. Is the 091 any good then?

Seeing as a TAG Carrera is on my wants list, I hope the ring is just a little tight as opposed to glued on. I've come across watches with only one clamp, for what it's worth. As long as the clamp is on the other side to the crown, it should hold. If you feel you need two, open a watch with three and cannibalise one. D How much is a bag of 144? I'd be more concerned about losing the screws, myself.

That was part of my point. I lost the plot though

Sorry, I don't know what came over me. Was it not my turn to be JF?

Another post that shows how sad my life is We are all jf apart from jf

Some Trite Poetic Comment about nothing ...

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Corgi, they're standing up to you. Did you miss the memo? People stand up to Bush every day. People in the US Government, people in governments abroad, both allies and enemies. He's just the latest in a long line to try to foment a stance based on with-us-or-against-us. Standing up to politicians is what we, as the people, are supposed to do. We put them there and hold them accountable ... at least that's the theory.

You should consider sourcing sapphire as well. Them SFSOs need sapphire and they need AR.

Like a girl? Sorry, I was channeling Clive there.

It's obvious why they can't get it right. They simply don't get the aesthetic simplicity of it. If it were more complicated, it'd be easier to replicate, ironically. If you want a defent rep, it's going to cost, much like the Aquatimer Chrono.