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...accepted! Didnt want to offend anybody George

Neil... regarding your last post i really really have to say.... and if i mean really i mean it! So pleeeeease dont get me wrong!!! (im bursting already really cant restrain) ...really have to say: . . . . . . . Neil!! . . . . . NEIIIL!!!! . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . YOU REEEALLY GOD_DAMN SON OF A BI_TCH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! . . . . . . . . I expected eeeeeeverything else bt not..... . . . YOU... . . . reacting in such a cooly easy goin way that really really does... ...COMMAND RESPEKT FROM ME!! Tribute to you... what else can i say? When i was "in preparation" of gettin special preparation from you!! Yeah... your goddamn right. ("Is this a rep forum? Huh?") No! For members it isnt cause this is more often much much more... Your right, its not always about "secrects" or "lies" or stories whatever... But its more often about human behavior. And in the end you testified that indeed you have a lot and lets say an almost "resilient" kind of humour!!! Damn do you know that feeling when your prior wanting to kill someone?? Lol... just guess i was in that mood... and then it turns out that you react in a way that really forces me to "take my hat off"... I think thats the HAPPY-ENDING we all have to celebrate!! and at least a much of a better ending than "taking someone others head off" (i mean just verbal... but thats cruel enough) Beeing a bullhead all my life with nothing much respekt left eminently for authorities lol i can asure you that there arent much people i got to know that i somehow acclaim. Its not that i agree more with you or will agree (from now on) with all things you write but your reaction towards the "entire story" (and some parts were really abrasive BS lol) seems to be really cool! But it was for entertaining issues i confess to the audience and for annoying issues to you... (Pls dont say that you never ever did annoy people lol ) ...at least somehow me. But as you might see now... im no "Rebel without a cause" and maybe you bury "the rubber-hatchet" with me... I also have to say that your comment "I fail in every instance of trying to imagine you with a personality" doesnt gross out on me that much... This is somehow a thing i mostly hear everyday I dont know if it would make you happy or happier Neil but i assure you that from now on your for sure one of the persons i would allow "havin a beer" with me And even if you dont "like" me... or my kind of humour... Theres one thing that you can for sure take with you as somethin special: As a matter that im no "As_scrawler" by nature, my lets say "homage" to you is definitely something thats for 100% true and not pretended or simulated!! I give you the brotherly kiss ...and you can be sure that im the only one that even would pull my brand new bicycle right away from my homes cellar just to make it up to BKK havin a chat with you... I want to underline that discussin this things was really great fun with you and all of the others listeners as much as participants!!! I hope you all enjoyed the "thread" and had a good time readin... And @Kenberg... I want this thread to be pinned lol Have all a nice evening and good night wherever you may rest on the planet!! Yours sincerely George Keep it real!!

LOL yes... You got mail my friend

lol manuel nice try... but believe me... He wouldnt do this in public. I think were still far away from discussing some things in the open. Maybe if some things will get history but its not that interesting then Furthermore this is again an "open" board here so anybody can see Regards George

Sometimes "silence" is shouting so loud... ...its also a kind of affirmation Cmon Neil you were "shouting" so much and blowing your trumpet... Its not my fault but as a man that speaks his own mind... i had to reply. So if you say: "I should go away..." I can just answer: Bigger your piano Neil, be a real man! Its nothin against you and i have nothing personal against you and your biz. Its just i hate if someones trying to let me look like an unaware fool... For the story: I have to "tell" it like this in such a manner for letting just "know" the ones that already know the facts and the other believing that im just spinning a tale. Yours sincerely AEsop the greek from Thrace (aka George) P.S. If you really think that your "the King" what about your sense of humour and entertaining YOUR audience?? Seems like i did your job...

Just forgot: Mine has NO eta-stamp or other thing visible on the ebauche... Sorry for quality of pics... i had no good cam when i got it. Lost the close-up pic where you can see that thers no stamp at all.

Hi there... beeing no watchsmith at all i would just doubtyour movement beeing regular ETA. Lets hope the markin "CN" doesnt stand for somethin like Chinese lol But anyway ask famous Mr.The Zigmeister cause i already asked a german watchmaker i know and he said to me (by just lookin at a few pics i sent) that one of my triplet has no regular eta 2836-2 but some other copy he hasnt seen before... Here are just 2 pics of them for you to get an idea about what the mov. of my "closed" AP RO 15202ST jumbo looks like... It was bought for me directly from the source in mbk stall and was at least "paid" to be eta... I paid about 200,-

...Only for you, children of doctrine and learning, have i written this work. Examine this post, ponder the meaning i have dispersed in various places and gathered again; what i have concealed in one place i have disclosed in another, that it may be understood by your wisdom. -Heinrich Cornelius Agrippa von Nettesheim, De occulta philosophia- @ken lmao but its up to you reading the facts out... I dont mind for Leonado or others... as a matter of fact "those who tell dont know and those who know dont tell" I feel like some of you may still be too occupied tryin to get a rime about what happened and Leonado behaved like a troll without realizing that besides what happened on the boards and here, there are others that know about the real facts and again im not talkin about him... Leonado is nor the epicenter nor is he holding or pulling the strings. Neither is he the "creactor" of facts... Its just to certain people some backgrounds have allways been well known... BTW i found another picture of the soup nazi gang as Neil said It got shot on a rehearsal for the famous "Marky Mark and the Funky Bunch" appearance waaaay back on 1945... Mr. Wahlberg was also member of the mbw-circle but was never seen after a mischance... i was told that his soap did hit the tiled floor of the girls shower room whilst he was showering with the gang... seconds later... Ive been told that the last ever seen thing of Mr. Wahlberg aka Marky was his a _rse And now to something completely different: I didnt report the banning of Leonado to Amnesty international cause i already did fail with this guy: Mr. George W. Bush was tryin to get him for possessing weapons of mass destruction and the only thing that was true is that Mr. Hussein did sniffle some glue from time to time i sent him... btw the way my source is the same dealer that did send the last envelope to Mr. Jimi Hendrix and the bloke thought it was harmless cocain but indeed it was the "deathly matter"... he didnt die at all from overdose... as most people say... Mr. Hendrix was somehow resistant to drugs... the idiot glued his nose whatever and died of asphyxia (absence of breath) ...the last ever thing i saw/heard about Leo is that Mr.Oddjobs brother did a really really fierce thing to him... @Neil... What did you expect?? So you replied... and you "stepped" inside the game You behave like someone that isnt able to rise bid or even hold... Cause for you the risk and the stakes is too high I wont tell more but even if i would... whats the loss for me??? NOTHING... even if i guess you "know"... and your holding some good cards in your hand... you wont lay them down on the table and show... Thats the name of the game. Just wanted to play to see how much longer you will stay after jumping on the bandwagon train when the tunnel is approaching... Quote TTK "@kater....if I throw a stick will you go away......Earth is full...go home.....!" It seems to be that Mr. Neil raises "the finger" as the ancient greek wrestlers did... Anyway it was fun with you... I leave the rwg audience now to you... lets see how your able to entertain Yours "The-Uncrowned-Ultimate-Farang-Drag-Queen" George ...now i gonna make myself a nice long island ice tea spiced with some LSD and a nice warm bath to relax a little from the tension P.S. ...But you must know we are all in agreement, whatever we say. - Turba Philosophorum -

And if the dog is barking Neil... it cant bite ...to be honest and to be true Mr. Neil ...im not at all quite sure if (without telling more coherences and any real names) this mystical Mr. Maria you mean or refer to is one and the same person i mean... Had a phone call today with one of my german friends whos into this "soup nazi ring" as you named it lol (and no Neil they arent tattooed at all) ok lets make and get things clear as far as im allowed to tell without getting special attendance of Mr. Oddjob from Taiwan... The person ive been told (friend of mine does even have pics of him) is of german more precisely of bavarian origin (thats important difference!!)... Nooo not like this... ...well more like this ...they met a few weeks or lets say nearly 2 months ago in munich having a drink and a little "small talk" Maria is about age of 40 and/or above (nobody knows except himself) neither parents cause he was brought up thru coincidence of immaculate conception... He lives now in thailand... happy together with his thai wife... and his dogs... About the dogs im not quite sure if they are german to but they in fact do look pretty hefty and impressive like this... At least im allowed to tell their names: Huey Luey and Doey The fourth a little blockhead looking white guy has no name but nobody cares beeing strayed to the 3 anyway he follows them anywhere... And the dogs do follow Maria anywhere. Another thing ive been told today for repeated times on the phone is the fact that Maria has to be one of the guys waaaaaaay long inside "the biz"... i was told that he invented the name MBW and his "Name" about 15! years ago... That was a time the pictures didnt even got colored cause there wasnt any other paint than black or white invented!! Thats why the first MBW subs came with just black/white colored dials!! I received the call today after having washed away all this crapy golden paint that nearly did killed me... I still doesnt know why Mr.Oddjob wanted me to wear this shitty paint (and it aint even real gold at all!!) instantly whilst my beloved Mr.007 aka "The Connery" was trying to fetch a cold tempered bottle of my favorite champagner that is also used and recommended by Ms. Paris Hilton for medical contraception purposes only... WTF anyway... this is how i looked today without the paint: And on the second above pic you can see my german friend in Munich who knows Mr.Maria in person on the other line He promised me to show me a picture of Maria of his adolescence thats why i embeded it on the upper right side of the pic... Maria mustve been wonderful to know... My friend did also confirm me that Mr. Maria is still a real Gent met in person I wonder if we do circumscribe 1 and the same person Neil Maybe the Maria you know in Thailand looks somethin like this?? No... lol... lets leave all the fun behind Neil and be serious!! Cause for a matter of fact i love your scottish (ive learned) dry humour... like i like a good single malt pivoting in my glass lying in front of my fireplace... late at the evening... with nothing much under my bathrobe than my tiny salmon pink string One good thing i like about the "Scottish" besides Mr. Sean Connery is that they did replicate 1:1 the greek military dress calling it "the Kilt" lol... the only thing thats different is that they couldnt replicate whats "under" the kilt that good P.S. I love you guys... ...see ya tomorrow whatever ...if im not gettin banned Yours sincerely George

...ok compared to gen the numbers on datewheel must be more bold ...either the window little bit bigger but i mean that your numbers are a little bit to "the left" slightly from the middle One of my tripplet is non-eta and although the numbers (height and position) are pretty the same as on my other 2 eta jumbos... thats why this made me curious. But no "hairsplitting" comment sfrom me anylonger Enjoy your beautiful rep collection!! George

@eunomias ...is that my eye or do you have a slightly different datemag on your 15202 jumbo george

LMAO Manuel but you might be closer to the truth than you might guess... Another remarkable thing i ran over by accident is that the so called Luckyyy and the german eponym or name giver of the mystical Maries Best Watches are 1 and the same person... I did no research whatever... it happened that someone german i know living in france also involved in rep-biz knowing some lets say "collectors" did also approve me that info about lucky... One of the first who named this "secret" was Leonado cause he was member and one of the guys inside the hidden forum or lets say "ring" in germany... i first thought he was completely nuts but another collector i know from munich whos familiar with the german Mr. Maria did also confirm that with no resaon at all makin a tale out of it... he met Maria two months ago... Your right that especially amongst some german (or mostly located in germany) rep-collectors the country of the mbw-wm watches was an open secret... inside of this board the dealers knew each other and most of them also know the real identity amongst themselves... Leonado was one of the members and he quit when the whole thing got charged and membership wasnt free any longer... but what the heck... he didnt cared that much cause he was one of the members (including Maria) that knew the proper source of the asian stall holder in thailand. You even cant sign in unless another member recommends you as "trusted" and if an existant member retires. BTW this above info is not from Leonado but from somebody still active inside the board... they always have the latest pics of the models 5 to 6 months earlier than posted on the free boards some also do have other prices i guess... I cant tell you more cause i definitely will get a phone call and a pleasant attendance of a semi-sumo-wrestler they just call oddjob dressed well in a suit and he definitely will pitch his hat after me... hes not that good at golfing but if he gets me... I will end up really badly gold plated as UBIs bezel screws on his 15202ST RO i also stole from them... In the end ill end up havin a LIFE like this: End thats the end of the story... Yours sincerely Gorgeous George

...and yes affirmative your right in a way but didnt we all come up with things you "cant see" or wont tell and still are effective in a way? Nobody will (i hope so) ever see the fine lingerie i often do buy for my beloved GF but just thinkin about it what she wears under her dress makes my "plethora" rise inside my trousers Sometimes its even better with no lingerie at all george

indeed... If Neils in for an Whisky-Group-Buy im in for at least a crate or a barrel but be aware im accepting no fakes at all Just fine single malt no water or tea whatever... Cheers George

Very well replied as anticipated Neil Did i already say that i really do like your sarcastic black english humour huh?? Well i know your not german nor located in germany... Readin your posts on rwg saved me much time not lookin some stupid tv serials in the evening... And its more exciting btw. Beeing a greek livin in germany i either dont give much about some as you called "ethel Mermans... members of some Skulls society or not!"... About Nr. 9 im not quite if sure were talking of the same person... the person i mean (without mentioning any names) is of german origin and lives from time to time in thailand and now ive been told hes again back in southern germany munich... I dont think that i spent way too much time cause most of the time ive been online on the boards i access thru wlan hotspots with my laptop or via umts network when im outside or during boring sales-dates lol So i can have the pleasure of throwing my head towards the heinie of sweet ladies passing by whilst im suckin my latte macchiato in the sun readin your posts lol... Conclusion? Pug we forgot one conclusion that Leonados maybe a lost member of Monty Pythons Flying Circus and infiltrated here for the elimination finals with Neil on the RWG-Battle-Rap finals... The precondition was if Leonado would have been successful they would start makin a remake of "Monty Python and the holy Grail" into "Monty Python and the holy MBW" with Neil featuring the famous King Arthur Now that Leonado did fail the mean MBW-King Mr. Maria did lock him up as Man in the iron Mask lifetime prisoner in the Bastille.... Sorry i forgot to say that if it gets waaaay too boring sometimes i put a little sugar spiced with some LSD into my coffee... But anyway Neil ill gladly appreciate if you could send me some of those little cialis pills from thailand makin me think of somethin else... P.S. I laughed a lot about Nr. 10 with the Sauerkraut lol A thing i hate my parents for... why did they went to germany with all that sauerkraut food lol But the women were just fine... Its already late now... have to prepare for a date with George Michael in a public toilet. George

@ubi ...be a little patient before glueing them back to quick! So take youre time in resizing the height of the screws just a tiny bit by grinding them... Me think the "holes" where the gen screws sit on the gen also do appear a little bit like a "sharper cut out octagon" as it is on the rep... I havent made up my mind about this issue but maybe someone could try to carefully rasping the wholes with a triangular file but i think you have to drill first 8 holes thru the bezel to get god access with a file though... Damn it would for sure give the bezel an awesome look if you manage to fit the screws just a little bit under the level of the bezel If i manage to get 1 set of the brass screws out of my 15202 rep and send it to this factory i definitely will show you the results... i guess making 16 instead of just 8 screws of solid bezel screws must not be too much of a difference in price Ill keep you informed but im very "monopolized" with work at the time... The sooner i get my screws out the faster i can ask the factors on estimated price Beeing patient is not so much a trouble for me cause i own all 3 kinds of dial models (white/blue/black) lol... i have to go for a side by side shooting of the 3... maybe someone will find out what color is the most beautiful At the moment i like the white one the most but i also had the blue and the black one as a longtime favorite on my wrist... Cmon Ubi did u use glue-dissolver and a toothpick besides beeing patient to remove them?? Tell us the secret lol I want to get mine out of the case to have them duplicated and i cant wait George

Congrats!! I think the successful removing of the "screws" is much harder than the last mod you did on the bracelet by cutting one fixed link out... I also did the modding of the bracelet and have to say respect cause i didnt yet made up my mind on how to remove the screws without ruining the bezel!! Your right the gen comes with 14k WG bolt screw and rhodinized finish. In my opinion you got now 2 ways you can go now: 1. Plating the screws But i dunno how good it will look concernig "finish" and if the would fit properly after havin them plated... Never mind about the brassy look of the screws, some gens do look very yellow too Heres a pic of the gen You can also see on the pic that the screws do appear more yellow then the indexes and hands although they were all said to be made of 14 WG rhodinized. For myself the risk would be too high gettin no good result on the plating method. 2. Buy some WG from a jeweller and let yourself produce some WG screws of the same dimension and look! I will definitely go for method Nr. 2 if i will have some more time to deal with my watch... I already found me a company in germany thats specialized in industrial screw production and they told me they can process and finish EVERY material and it would be (even if you have to buy the WG somewhere else) way much cheaper than the work of a jeweller!! BTW i have another new and never used TW best 36mm RO case with sapphire case back and silver looking screws but forget about it... The screws of the RO jumbo are a tiny bit bigger and i already thought about replacing them but i dont think that this will look fine... P.S. Dont forget to place the screws of your jumbo a little bit deeper into the bezel when you put them back... look on the gen and youll make your RO look from 65% up to 90% more accurate! If you want i can forward you the link of the company located in germany to make you a estimation on price. Go for it!! This rep is worth it... Superb you got the bezel screws out like this! Regards George

As a matter of fact Neil i dont trust anybody more than i can throw him What to do and who to believe when theres conclusion against conclusion? Beeing familiar with some guys and a german collector from munich i meet that knows Mr. Maria in person... i had the oportunity to "check" some of Mr. Leonados statements. He also claimed to know him (Maria)... and most of the things ive been told turned out to be affirmed by the other side... he also is member of a secret german board on the net where most all of the "mbw" dealers are signed in and Mr. Maria... Im not able to tell all even if i know some more facts... Ive seen and heard enough from first-hand that my conclusions may easily hit the bull`s eye... and its not all about Maria there are few more makin a living out of rep biz. I have to throw every fact into the 2 weighing scales if i want to find out which conclusion might be nearer to the truth Neil... A simple example: Beeing in insurance biz for years you wont hear somethin bad about insurances when i want to sell somethin You bet i do cause i make a living out of it self-employed for 8 years... I think soemthing similar goes for you concernig watches cause you also "make a living out" of it... Anybody (even Leo) can write and talk a lot on the board but havin a "good" reason or as Pug said havin an "Agenda" to behave like somethin or for telling somethin thats often somethin else... And with good reason i mean, how high is the plausibility of that whats been said to be the truth or not? And what could be the logical reason for it?? One good thing is that gettin a watch aint such a good reason for me to agree with all whats been told from the person i got it from... If theres a plausible reason... i disagree... if not i agree. If facts do change i dont hesitate to change my opinion about anybody. I just try to be fairminded as far as i can... if its necessary beyond the boards. Havin the opportunity on a watch or not... no matter if its you Neil, Leo, Maria or anybody else doesnt play such a big rolle for me. Conclusion? What conclusion might be... For now im just sure that not everything Leo said was the entire truth... and same goes for you... but whos telling the "entire" truth about sources and ways of trade in the open anyway? If you would like to know what ive heard go pm because i couldnt go any deeper without naming persons and backgrounds... On the other hand Neil... whatever you say goes fine for me... same with Leo or others... im not here to prove a fact or not whether someones right or not... collecting reps is just an amusement for me... It just happend that i got to know some guys in person that had to deal with reps and/or still do... but this was before i signed in rwg, rwi or trc... Its just a funny thing that somehow "tracks" converge or run together... when you are runinng this biz to a certain degree everybody knows everybody. Especially some in germany... Peace George

...we did business and he told me some things as a few other people i had the opportunity to meet with. Thats all... He stood to his promise concerning a watch he brought to me at the airport... i bought it from him. Friends means more to me... I dont encourage harsh words and conversations that took place in the past. I really have to say that there was from both sides much bull**** talking... i would have enjoyed it much more if the conversation was lead in a more objective and factual way instead of ppl insulting each other... Agenda? Concerning agenda (because i asked him too) is the only thing i can tell you that the main reason for him unveiling the truth about the mbw-wm-watch-mystery or whatever you would call it, was that (some) dealers were really doing snobbish biz with watches from the mbk-stall... I mean the "No-watch-for-you" Syndrome... High prices and the fear of some "Who-has-the-best-sub- questioner" gettin no watch at all that also lead to the end in scamming some members here and on other boards because the fear of getting no watch at all was too big. BTW the second watch (an PP Nautilus jumbo) he had brought from thailand went to another member that got defrauded of his money in an older transaction with so called Mr. Luckyy... Both watches were sold for quite the same price he paid at mbk. I for myself hate favoritism or havin to suck up to someone for gettin a proper offer on a watch. Rules have to be simple and equitable... Concerning Neil he just was upset cause he didnt accredited it that much that Leo showed him were to get the vintage rolies in TH. As far as he told me he was never up in gettin another mbw-wm-dealer although you could have guessed somethin like it when you just read whats been going on on here and on rwi, trc. I think it had also personal reasons to act in such a way telling the truth about the "source" of this reps cause he knew most of mbw-dealers personally... Here in germany there are some like "Mr.Maria" or "Mr.Watchmaster" and others i know some stories from another mutual friend who is in rep-biz for many years (not his main-biz) i couldnt even betoken somethin cause nobody would believe... If its true that your still concerned about what was his "agenda" you can email him... But i dont think whats been said still affects you so much... thats why i said now its all water under the bridge... George

I guess you get it... I dont feel like anyones "attorney" at all! Nor for you nor for Leonados side. Its just i had in mind that it wasnt that unsolicited at all telling from the start where you got the info from. And thats all (its all in your post pug) I for myself had to decide 2 times cause i got 2 watches from not so well reputated sources and had to make the decision telling where from or not... But what the hell means reputation when you made a deal and both sides been true to one`s word? So i decided to tell no matter what the "rwg-gang" would think again... Telling the truth and making new friends at the same time is an artistry. Anyway... things like that are all water under the bridge now and passed by. George

lol Pug This took you some time ...better late laurels for the banned than no mercy at all! btw "greetings" from Leonado George P.S. I just felt in love with your avatar

...i usually bend it over my wiener whilst havin fun with my old lad for makin sure the movement is wind up properly next day cause havin a "desk-work-job" means sometimes no movement at all... Cmon guys i was FIRST to write that... ur stealin my idea lol! ...as allways i was first. George

"Do you keep your watch on during sex?" @blues... ...i usually bend it over my wiener whilst havin fun with my old lad for makin sure the movement is wind up properly next day cause havin a "desk-work-job" means sometimes no movement at all... If i would work inside a bank instead for an insurance company and someone would walk rite in sayin "FREEZE-Dont move!! I would just ask "Are you kiddin??" One time i had an "Almost-Mischance" at my office: I felt asleep as almost whilst reading the rwg "new posts" with my head rushing down towards my desktop hell-bent for leather hiting the desk just a couple of millimeters away from a pencil i had hold in my wrist... guys i tell ya. I was just by a hair's breadth away of loosing my eyesight... Instantly my secretary rushed in to remove the pencil. I was angry at her askin why she couldnt be more tentative with me but she was painting her fingernails... Another thing of "ill-communication" that annoys me goes like this: (in bedroom while were at it) Girlfriend: "What time is it?" Me: "Its half past ten..." Girlfriend: "Did you already come?" Me: "No" Girlfriend: "What time is it? Me: "Its ten to ten..." Girlfriend: "Did you already come?" Me: "No" ...guess how it ends. George

...i posted this (first above post) ass circular mailing piece inside our insurance company and it got nominated off the top of one's head for the BEST MAIL of the month Ill receive a pay-rise these days Ken!!! Thanxs, and never forget: I LUV YOU ALL!! George