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I definitely agree with your sentiments around the WM9 V3 especially the SEL fitment - drives me bonkers. By the way, the rep flat S dial on PT's supreme sub is very accurate and I can attest to that since I HAVE the gen sub with the flat S as well as the rep flat S dial. Not sure what you are comparing to but its dead on accurate on the wrist. Also, not all the gen sub dials have consistent thickness in printing. Some are thinner and some are bolder. The MBW Euromariner V4/nobbfactory sub dial is a super accurate F series dial. The other very good rep sub dials are the flat S above and the one in WM9's V2/V3 versions. Also, my WM9 Hybrid above is a rep of the Mark 2 F serial LV in case you are wondering ...

@takosan - that is a good price but still needs some work. I would at the very least remove the inner rehaut engravings, swap out the dw with a BK version, add a gen crown and trim the CG. The reason for removing the inner rehaut engraving is because the gen sub with the flat "S" in "Submariner" on the dial only existed in late D or early Z serials for the 16610 and these do not have inner rehaut engravings.

Definitely agree on the same taiwan source for this caseset, but WM9 is the one that first pioneered it and then MBW/MBK followed with the same caseset but used their dials, hands, crown and crystal which are generally sub-par (except for the dial) compared to the same versions from WM9. The MBW/MBK dial is essentially a noobfactory dial but with stronger lume (but not super). This dial is perfect for an early F serial sub like mine above.

Either dial is great and depends on what you like more - classic or modern look. I got the other dial with grey sub-dials and black dial b/c I wanted a more sleek modern look plus I already have the rep DW 7032 with the same color tone as the above so no point getting two of the same. Either color scheme is great. Have fun buying the new MC ...

It is technically a WM9 V1 watch as George used to make them before one of the dealers (PT or Precious Time) took stock of the V1 caseset and transformed it into the Supreme Sub that you see now. MBW/Euromariner V4's also used the same V1 caseset but also discontinued when Eurotimez went awol. I thought these were out of stock more than a year ago. So I was surprised to see that it is still available today. I have/had owned all the different rep versions from cheapie canal street crap to the latest WM9 V3. I have to say that I like the WM9 V1 or V2 casesets the best. The WM9 V3 caseset is not bad but the oversized bezel, incorrect crown position and lousy SEL fitment drove it all the way to the bottom of my list. The WM9 V2 case is better than the V3 but the SEL fitment is still not great and for me that is the biggest problem. So I looked around and found that the WM9 V1/PT Supreme Sub/MBW-Euromariner V4 casesets (aka the V1 caseset) were the best in terms of the SEL fit. Coupled with the latest MBW SEL bracelet with hollow mid-links, the SEL fitment can't be beat. If you have one, you know what I mean. Also, the V1 caseset has gen-like bezel construction just like the WM9 V2 or V3 casesets. What this means is, the V1 caseset is a perfect candidate for my sub project ... In the end, I had my modded WM9 which I call the WM9 Hybrid since it is made up of so many parts from various makers including WM9. Here is a couple of pics of my highly modded WM9 Hybrid:

Definitely too tall! Never saw a gen 201A with a crystal that high.

Hey Paul, Can you put me on the list for one as well? I will also need the rest like the hands and caseset if you are doing them too. Also, any news on whether there will be a vintage version? If yes, will take that one as well. What is the size of the dial again?

Hey Pete - can you PM me his weblink?

Very nice 000G. The CG suits it nicely ...

I am seriously considering this watch but need to know if they have corrected the other flaw with the silver outlines. Can you verify for me if there is silver outline around the hour/numeral markers on the dial? I can't see for sure in the photo from your dealer. Looks like it does but it could have been a silver border beneath the lume but goes around the hour/numeral markers on the dial.

Unreg/ken - ok. I agree with you then. I have seen some which are machined better than unreg's rep santos. Definitely a quality control issue. As I have mentioned above, the rep case overall is not as well machined as the gen. If you get a decent one, then it might be passable. Otherwise it just looks odd when compared to the gen even if you can live with the dial flaw.

Not sure what you mean by wobbly crown guards as they are part of the case and not secured on it from the bottom. Do you mean the crown is wobbly? I am waiting for some pics from a member who just ordered the carbon version. Not sure if the rep dial has the correct color on the dial/markers. Also, the DLC/PVD coating may or may not be good. Will have to wait and see.

Apparently one of the poster have lots of to waste, but not the time to read and provide real constructive comments. Instead, we just get incomprehensible jibberish from the poster. Unbelievable ... Why don't you go with the gen dial route? It should improve the look of the watch since the rep dial color was off. The used gen route is only a good option if you don't have the time to work on the rep. But if you are doing the gen dial swap, the rep crystal also needs to go. That strong bevel on the rep's sapphire crystal is also another tell. If you have the time to work on it, it should turn out really nice now that the rep case/crown is almost like gen.

Phew! That is good to hear. Looking forward to new updates from you soon ...

Seems to be what you are good at doing. Don't read well and give stupid comments. Its like talking to a wall or something worse ...

I think I already said I am going to get the gen ... stop repeating what I already said I was going to do. Sheeeesh.

Well, there is a reason why I am getting defensive as the naysayers who have the rep (but not the gen) do not want to acknowledge the dial is off on the rep. Yet the dial flaw is there on the rep. From your response above, you are already starting to acknowlegde that too but after some postings. To you, the dial flaw is not much of an issue b/c your tolerance level is higher than mine. As I have said above, I am not here to "diss" yours or anyone's rep santos, but merely to highlight an issue with the dial that no one seems to want to discuss (tells me you guys are in denial), which I was hoping could be resolved through collective thinking (sounds like no one is interested in that either other than "nice watch" comments). I don't see that as an attack or bringing anyone's piece down. If that's what you're happy with, then so be it. I have nothing more to add. But I hear you on calming down as I don't want to waste anymore time talking about this frigging rep. I can always buy the gen ... no big deal for me. As I have said above, I really don't want another friggin rep sitting on my bench waiting to be modded and collecting dust. I had high hopes for this one and it turns out to be another disappointment (such is the nature of rep collecting). For everyone else, as unreg said, if you can live with the dial flaw, go and buy it - it is pretty good overall except for the frigging dial color. If the rep dial bugs you as much as it did to me, swap in a gen dial and you'll have the best low budget franken you'll ever get. Well I ain't going there with this rep as the gen is relatively cheap in the used or grey market and I have too many franken projects to do, so no thanks on this route for me. PS: Unreg - happy to continue our previous debate on the RXW MM20 vs 127 vs 6152's ... I have since acquired a gen RXW MM20 like you did since it was dirt cheap (for me anyway) compared to a gen 127 or 6152. Might still get the gen 217 later but not this year as I have bought too many high priced gens this year, a new home and loads of expensive furniture, so goto slow down a bit for the rest of the year.

No worries Tx. I trust your judgement and am looking forward to your dial review. Hopefully you can get the same exact gen santos and compare to your rep santos for the dial comparo. You'll see what I mean when you get it ... the rep dial color is really hard to define but it is definitely NOT WHITE or BRIGHT SILVER. It did bug me when I saw pics of the real watch from actual members who had them. I see this particular gen santos everyday on my way to work as it is usually displayed in the AD's window or I would see work colleagues wearing them once in a while. The gen santos dial has a very interesting silver finish to it. If the dial color was off, it would be difficult to fix it. The only way to fix IMO is to put in a gen dial. I think that is all it needs to take it to the top. It should be an easy fix for the rep maker - use flat white as the base coating and then apply a satin varnish to emulate the gen finish. Simple as that.

John - I am saying "whit-ish" because it AINT WHITE but looks something similar to white in normal lighting conditions for goodness sake!! Read my post again, as I have said "BRIGHT SILVER WITH SATIN FINISH" many times as THAT IS THE COLOR OF THE GEN DIAL ... LOL In normal lighting situations, it would look whitish. That is what I mean by whit-ish! It definitely ain't the color on your rep dial!! The mismatch of the color on the INACTIVE lume on the hands and dial color is a tell b/c its supposed to look really close unless the lume lights up or when the dial surface is under intense lighting conditions!! How many times do I have to repeat this.

First, if you read my postings above carefully, I already caveated that. Have seen so many different pics of the same watch under different lightings by actual members who had the same rep. So will have a good idea of what it looks like in person under different lighting conditions - it ain't rocket science. Secondly, if you read my postings as well as that from unreg/txcollector, they both seem to acknowledged the gen dial is whitish in color in most conditions. No need for intense lighting to expose the rep dial!! Its pretty easy to spot the rep dial with the current flaws as it is. Thirdly, the hands doesn't charge up easily like the superlume on reps & some gens. Go check out the gen yourself. Unless you go into a dark area, you won't ever see it light up - that's how a good gen lume would operate. Most of the time the inactive lume color on the hands & dial looked the same on the gen dial as if there is NO mismatch. On your last comment above, I am really trying to justify buying this watch but I am not interested in buying another rep to have it sitting on my bench waiting to be modded. From now on, I just want to buy a decent OTB rep that does not involve lots of modding otherwise I just go gen and be done with. Also, I don't like buying reps that has visible flaws that I cannot fix. And yes, I have wayyy too many watches but that is not the reason for my comments above. More just my observations of the rep as it is.

Unreg/Txcollector - Maybe if we could have the hands relumed to be the same color as the dial (when inactive). This should then "hide" the dial flaws by blending it in with the relumed hand color. The dial flaws would then be less obvious to the eye. What do you guys think?

I think we will have to just agree to disagree here. I have been looking at pics of the gens and reps for weeks, not just from various dealers website but also from pics from actual owners of this rep. I almost bought one earlier in the week until I saw his dial pics which prompted me to go check out the gen dial color in person b/c no one could describe the color consistently and whether there is a difference or not. I am also not the only one that mentioned the dial color on the gen dial did not match the rep. So my comment seems consistent with theirs. Also, know that I am not trying to diss your watch but flaws are flaws, and we just have to accept that its there, so we can continue to improve the rep over time.

I don't think there is anything confusing about my comments. I have seen pics of the rep in many lighting conditions owned by people who actually have the same rep that unreg has. Just wait till you see the actual rep itself. The dial color is off on the rep unless you got a one-off white dialed version which can happen sometimes in the rep world. Also, take a closer look at unreg's pics in the first post. He blew up the pic of the dial really well. It will show the color and texture that I am talking about. That's how I would describe the color as its not white or silver or off-white. Its something else altogether ... The way I am going to tell if you are wearing a rep Santos is look at the color of the inactive lume on the hands versus the dial color. The gen will match most of the time but the rep would not. I will look forward to seeing your detailed dial review. Not sure if it will achieve anything new for me, but I would welcome another fresh perspective knowing how anal you are.

This is a hard one for me as well. As picky as I am when it comes to reps, I can also live with certain flaws as long as they are imperceptible to me. To me the incorrect dial color on the rep is a BIG tell. If the rep maker has resorted to white color, I would have accepted it as I can apply a satin varnish over the dial to simulate the satin sheen on the gen dial. So I don't think my complains were too critical. But to each their own. If you can live with the dial flaw, then go ahead and buy it. I for one is disappointed in the rep, they came so close to everything else, yet they could f'd up something as critical AND simple as the dial color. Unbelievable (comment directed at the rep maker) ...

Unreg - I did look at the gen santos 100 xl dial under different lighting conditions - right under the intense lighting its silverish in color, away from the intense light it is whitish in color, right outside under normal sunshine its whitish color, etc ... so either way it is whitish or silver not the creamy peachy textured color on the rep dial. Gen santos 100 xl dial is also very smooth and has a satin sheen to it. I inspected the watch for an hour (the AD is a buddy of mine) walking up/down/outside of the AD, just so I am sure of the dial color. A couple of members over at RG also said the same thing about the dial in that it is off. So there is definitely no doubt it is off in my mind ... Here is a good link to some detailed photos of the same watch I saw at my AD: http://www.keepthetime.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=192 This is what the dial looks like outside of the AD ... whitish. Key is the almost matching white color of the hands to the dial. But under intense lighting in the AD, the white lume on the hands would not be able to match completely the bright silver color of the dial. Agree on the crystal bevel as being another tell. The other tell is more around the quality of the gen finish vs the rep finish on the casing and crown. The gen case is really well machined and has a nice brushed finish to it. The crown construction is also immaculately engineered, which if compared to a rep with some QC issues on the crown will be another tell. I was really hoping the gen dial looks somewhat like the rep dial but it didn't. Too bad though as I would looove to buy this rep if only they get the darn dial color right. I can deal with refinishing the case and crown but the rep's incorrect dial color bugs the heck out of me though as I REALLY don't want to spend thousands buying the gen with a fairly generic mvt ... Maybe I should just get the used gen as these usually go for about $3-3.5K here ...