lanikai

Wow

New release!!!!

Great special for the Plati forum !!!

Way to go !!

SPECIAL OFFERING

There will be a special offering in our Platinum Forum for all Plati members..

the Special offering will be posted in the Plati Forum sometime tonight..

As Platinum members, you will be able to take advantage of not only the added benefits of your upgraded memberships, now you will also have value added to your collecting efforts..

To all our upgraded members ..

Thank you for supporting our usage fees and supporting this wonderful Community.. we have been self supporting because of our loyal members.. and now the Platinum membership can enjoy added benefits to that loyalty.

True, RWG is free for all, and was created to ensure members saftey, and our sole purpose is to keep our hobby safe from scams,.. the reality is with our huge community and traffic that we have .. we need to raise funds for our monthly usage fees... and our community has stepped up to meet this challenge..through raffles and upgrades..

So please take advantage of the special offerings and if your not "Plati".. something to think about.. your upgrade will pay for itself in the long run..

Look tot he Platinum forum in the next few hours for some great deals..

Thanks for your support !!!

AC/Lani

Welcome to the community Scotch

just holla out if u need n assist

Bumping this great words of wisdom

Too many members hoping aboard to sell their goods.. members are thinking of saving money and getting burned in the process..

we need to stick together and not be an easy mark

AC/Lani

The 2010 Hawaii Car Show.. "the only difference between Men and Boyz .. are the price of their toyz"

How's this for calipers ??

The lines of design are what gets me mesmerized, along with the quality of the paints..

The Car that stole the show ..

reason being it was sold at the Car Show soon after the doors opened.. if this was a gimmick it was played out well.. price tag.. $1.5 mil.

But the car I wanted to drive out the door..

AC/Lani

Welcome to the best watch forum

we have a great community and I look foward to your participation M

A/C

Lani

A tropics pexi crystal and gen date wheel (for font) were used to replicate these

If your from France Wiz.. we have many solid members here from France.. I hope you decide to stay awhile and become part of the community

Holla if yo0u need an assist

AC/Lani

Any reason why the ETA is $369.00 versus $389.00 for the Asia 3135 movement?

I would think it would be the opposite.

without being an expert on movements.. from the standpoint of a customer.. my 3135 rotor is deathly quiet.. and the time it has been keeping is spot on to my genuine Rolex'.. I'm really happy with my Asian Rolex clone.. though some may say to b assured longevity go eta.. it's up to you ..

AC/Lani

Bump .. moved from the Rolex section..

Stunning review.

I will have to update all my brand guides and add the links when these posts enter the R&R section.

Thank you BT on behalf of everyone that contributed to the team

I'll slowly search for past reviews to post here

there are many more out there

thanks R , i learned from the best

wow this blue lume is stunning realy cool bro. so you relumed it from the factory green to this awsome blue? wich is incorrect, or is the blue lume correct lani

The blue lume is as the genuine .... If I remember correctly one of the first brands to use it

Lani, hell yeah thats a real cool watch, and the lume looks great

but randy when you find a minute or someone else, are the pvd and the rosegold version also so good like the SS version???

cause i realy like the look of the rose gold one somehow but this watch looks cool in every version, for me the best lookin bell and ross so far

thanks in advance

Excellent taste deniz, the rose gold is supposed to be just as good.. there were some awesome pics a long time ago of the rose gold.. I don;t know what the lume is like on the rose.. but Ziggy relumed mine with the Blue lume .. it had just come out on the market when he did mine..

Well, what we have been longing for: The BP 5002 has been released... and rather suddenly and very quietly without fanfare... maybe we'll see more versions in time.. such as the 5004.

I prefer the 5002 for the "vintage" layout..so I for one am happy that they replicated the 5002 first.. although this is not the first replication of this model .. hopefully it is done better as a genuine 5002 was used as sample..

Before I get into the 5002 as a Replication, let's look at the origins of the Big Pilot .. As the Big Pilot was launched as a tribute or "throw back" to the B-Uhr of the 1940'

The Original "DIE GROSSE FLIEGERUHR" - the B-Uhr manufactured by IWC for the German Airforce in the 1940's

The size of the B-Uhr was huge !! 55 mm, the size is due to the fact that the timepiece was worn outside the aviators jacket .. and the Onion crown so large because the aviator used the crown while wearing his gloves,.. and the dial (large) could be read from all angles without hinderance

The B-Uhr movement~

Some of the Houses that produced Military aviators watches.. along with IWC

IWC

A. Lange

Laco

Stowa

Wempe-other smaller houses( Austrian and german stores private makes), varied movts by Unitas and Minerva

In 2002 the IWC Factory produced the 5002 BP .. With it's vintage dial layout and buffalo strap.. unlike the B-Uhr a power reserve was added at the 3 and a date window at the 6

Vitals ~ Replication

Model : Brushed SS Case, Black Dial, White Markers ( Lume on Hours Indices), Fixed Power Reserve Indicator (Faux 7 days) , Premium Thick Brown Leather Strap with Insignia Single Foldover Deployant Clasp

Movement: Decorated Asian Automatic Movement, 25J 21600bph

Functions : Hours, Minutes, Secs, Date @ 6.00

Dimensions : Diameter 46.2mm x 15.8mm Thk

Weight : 144 grams

Material : 1 piece forged/Engraved case construction, solid 316 stainless steel

Back : Solid Case Back with Detail Engraving on Case (Both Sides - All correct Spelling)

Crown : One-piece Screw down Crown with o ring

Crystal: Sapphire Crystal Swiss Standard Double AR Coated

Water-resistant

The Genuine ~ 46.2 ; 150 grams

I will quote the movement from a review .. I really don't want to just use my own words when in fact it would be plagarism..

"IWC didn't use any movement in it's new Big Pilot, when it came time to choose a movement, they picked the caliber 5011 movement with 7 day power reserve and and date display. This movement is also used in the popular Portuguese Automatic line of watches. IWC recently replaced the 5011 movement in the Big Pilot and Portuguese Automatic with the 51110 movement which increased the rate from 18,000 vph to 21,600 vph. My model Big Pilot has the newer movement."

From: "peters watch"

The Genuine

The Replication .. the hands look very well done, the lettering is sharp ... with a genuine AR (which is rather good on the rep) I believe the dial will look even better..!! The ticks and markers look good.. the font on the PR could be a little thicker (IMO) and yes the DW is sunken rather deeply... but all around .. you decide..

The Crystal

Genuine ... Sapphire convex double AR..

The Replication.... is very good !. however with a "great" AR this dial would SING !! Chief has stated that he is going to be doing genuine "Brand" AR.. the AR on the BP has "heavy HUE" .. so this will not be an issue given a trip to Cali

The Markers at the 12 may seem a little off.. it is the slight angle of the rep in the pic .. they are actually spot on.. the pic can be decieving..(my pic) the fiber at the 8 is in the dial.. it is driving me nutz.. I don't feel ambitious enough tonight ..

Genuine

Replication.. the hands are silver.. it's the lighting.. I tried to "replicate the genuine pics".. the rings in the PR sub are a little rough on the replication .. but good with the naked eye..

The Crown...

Genuine

The Replication.also got the case in the pic.. very nice.. if your wondering about the different crowns.. they are both correct.. below the pic are statement from a genuine BP forum to answer this issue.. and also some info on the movement.. the rep is the 21.6 and the movement of the second hand is as the forum member explains it,.. so it is by nature, due to the size of the dial and Second hand .. a bit jerky..

From a genuine BP forum:

Greg LeVine15-08-2007, 11:09 PM

There seems to be so much confusion (on my part at least) on the difference between the 5002 and 5004 movements on the BP. first could someone please explain the main differences and why one would prefer one movement over another. I understand most of it is personal but don't understand which is truly "better". Secondly, The fish crown issue! what is the deal with this? My crown has a fish or my crown doesn't have a fish. What does this mean and does it really matter. Thank you in advance, your assistance is greatly appreciated. Greg.

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India Whiskey Charlie15-08-2007, 11:43 PM

And perhaps can give some insight. My first was an early 5002 with the fish crown purchased back in 2003 (I think!). Then, I got a 5004 last December. The 5002 movement is rated at 18k beats per hour while the 5004 movement has 21.6k beats per hour. This can help a watchmaker fine tune the 5004 a bit more for a bit more accuracy. Having said that, my experience is such that the accuracy of both is extremely similar even after both watches having been back to IWC for service and regulation. In fact, I have four 5000-based IWC's. Two 18k's and two 21.6k's and see no difference in accuracy between all four. There really is no "better" movement between the two.

Now, as to the crown difference, IWC changed the fish crown to the Probus Scafusia crown when they changed from the 18k to the 21.6k movement before releasing the 5004 models. At the same time, there was a revision made on the crown tube to prevent a damaged that occurred on the original 5002 fish crown. On some watches, the crown tube slid inside the case preventing the crown from screwing-in. When this happened, IWC replaced the fish crown with the Probus crown. As such, some 5002's with the Probus crown may very well be early 18k watches.

With my personal experience, I see no difference in the two movements. Now, had IWC gone to a 28.8k beats per hour, it may have been a different story.

There seems to be so much confusion (on my part at least) on the difference between the 5002 and 5004 movements on the BP. first could someone please explain the main differences and why one would prefer one movement over another. I understand most of it is personal but don't understand which is truly "better". Secondly, The fish crown issue! what is the deal with this? My crown has a fish or my crown doesn't have a fish. What does this mean and does it really matter. Thank you in advance, your assistance is greatly appreciated. Greg.--------------------------------------------------------------------------------

And YES !! It is a screw down !!!! and the threading is smooooth ... top shape !

The Case Back..

Genuine .. Die Grosse Fliegeruhr... The Big Pilot

Replication .. Good .., very good actually.. we'll see if they are individual serial numbers as others recieve the BP

Rep Movement.. the experts can chime in as to what "Asian Movement this may be"

The Clasp

Replication .. very Well Done !!! .. nice positive snap on closing.. engraving is first rate.. OK it will not be "as" great as the genuine.. but you have to admit it is Well Done !!

Genuine

Replication

Genuine

The Rep

Strap .. I was suprised at how well this was made considering the past Pilot straps.. it is not what will stay on the rep.. I didn't put my HK's on since you want to see the replication in all it's Glory !!

And of course the Lume.. pretty Good.. of course we gauge everything to the Master.. Z .. but as far as a rep.. the shutter speed was not even a half a second as you can see by the second hand..

In Summarizing the BP 5002:

After a very long wait I am not dissapointed.. even if this is V-1, for the price I am vey happy with this purchase.. Quality is there.. the replication IMO was well done.. of course it can and probably will be improvements.. other makers will step up to the plate I am sure.. but there is room and possibilities for this rep. ..

The weight is good.. a little off due to the movement of course.. but still with the small lug width it does not wear like a 46 mm watch and is well balanced on the wrist .. as is the genuine ..(I am assuming) reviews on genuine forums say it is not "top heavy" and I can see that in the rep.. unlike other watches .. where the thickness makes the rep wobble on your wrist .. this is not the case with the BP 5002 Replication..

I believe those who acquire this rep. will be very pleased..

In closing a few wrist shots: Thank you for viewing !!

I will be adding more pics..

Aloha~Cheers

Lani

Additional Eye Candy ~

Crew Shot....

See here for the full thread > BP 5002

**** since this review the makers have corrected the sunken DW.. ****

See the link below for the full Team review of the BP 5004

Here> BP 5004 Team Review

See the link for all you need to know about the Cape Cod Polishing cloth

Here> Cape Cod Polishing Cloth

Skyland Black and Grey

A comparison of Dials

these pics are done in different angles with less natural lightning in some pics that others ... so you can see the difference in the colour of the grey in increased light and decreased light.. I have taken them in different angles ..

There has been members on the border line .. trying to decide between the two dials.. well, I hope this helps you decide .. jus more info for ya..

Skyland Black and Grey

A comparison of Dials

these pics are done in different angles with less natural lightning in some pics that others ... so you can see the difference in the colour of the grey in increased light and decreased light.. I have taken them in different angles ..

There has been members on the border line .. trying to decide between the two dials.. well, I hope this helps you decide .. jus more info for ya..

Both pics were taken in slightly different lighting..

Are the markers more defined with the Black Dial ???

In Limited light the grey dial will darken ..

These pics were not done for eye candy but for info purposes...

Aloha~Cheers

R

here is a link to the full thread > Here

The crystal should be a fraction of a mm above the bezel per gen

look at my review

if yours is flush the insert can be sanded down

R, you need to run for office. For the people! You work so hard and I wonder if you feel appreciated. I know you've said you don't get comp's but I think that a few factories/dealers need to comp you, or just fly to Guangzhou and connect the rest of the dots!

Been there ... done that.. when I was elected to represent a large faction in Hawaii and at world conferences.. I had to perform damage control for lying politicians.. things are easier here.. no lies to clean up after..

but thanks for the confidence everyone.. we are fellowship of watch nutz..and much more..

AS long as it's not a whimper

The truth is even with all the different models in the pics.. which is awesome btw.. but since I got the 300T US Divers .. my collection is complete..and the 300T US divers is still on my wrist..

And not speaking for Nanuq.. but I think the owner of that collection would die for one watch.. the "Black Lung"..

But thank you for sharing

AC/Lani

Welcome and hope this becomes as much of a home to you as it has for countless others..

Looking forward to continued participation from you Iceberg..

AC/Lani

For all the raffles that we have held to raise funds for our communities usage fees, the Mega Raffle has been Rockin Da House with members stepping up to the plate.. we have had a record number of members .. a lot of them new to RWG, upgrading to Supporter and Plati.. and many who have been here for a long time also upgrading to Platinum memberships..

For those that are not aware of what we need the funds for.. software upgrades cost money.. monthly usage with all the daily traffic we have going in and out of the Forum cost $$$.. not a penny of what we have accrued from these raffles have gone to anything other than our Communities needs.. with our traffic at an all time high and new members registering in record numbers daily.. we are doing what is necessary to see that our lights stay on 24/7.. I feel we have the best Admin Team on the net.. Admin with his crazy schedule keeps the forum upgraded and safe .. the Co Admins and Mods work round the clock to keep us safe from scams form various spammers and back door dealings..

Although our forum is "free" to all .. the reality is to grow and acquire the latest software and upgrades we need to raise funds.. the board is constantly being upgraded and I believe the vision of our Admin is to continue to grow and be the best rep forum on the net.. to be here for all that need support with our Hobby.. to keep the scammers from getting a hold of our money.... all of that and more.. We are definitely more than just watches..

We'd like to see more members that have been lurking .. to not be shy.. you all have much to offer the community even if you feel it's just for a few words.. participation and idea's are always welcomed..

The Best Idea .. is the Idea that has yet to be thought of and expressed

and no idea is a waste.. only not posting your thought's can be thought of as a waste..

So weather you decide to participate in the Raffle or not.. please don't hesitate to participate in the growth of this Community.. we need each and every member to think this thought: "Participation is a form of giving back".. even if it's just a "thank you" for a member that spends time to post a pictorial or review or share their new acquisition.. to acknowledge the time spent is something that all will appreciate.

so, a BIG THANK YOU to the members that have participated so far in our Mega Raffle.. from 1 ticket to those who have jumped in for 20 ..

Thank you .. and let's keep it rolling.. we are working on more prizes to add to the pot..

A Special thanks to all the members that are making this Raffle a success for "The RWG"

JMB

wwarren

henrik_6..Supporter upgrade

Modelizer

deniz

Plaifender.. Plati upgrade

Wimpie

Eyerule

P4GTR

Wheaton

MemberX

Marky1012

specialvat

dudemeister

Pizzanno

Eton..Supporter upgrade

Miagi

dvn

ronin

redwatch

paneristi_man

t0t0boy

Mastermindilliance // aka mensabrain

toadtorrent

woody99

lufcmattylad

valerian

Navichief

Kambler..Supporter upgrade

Upland

dmueves

Viper..Supporter upgrade

GarretP1

Slimpickens

MasterofPuppets

Danander11..Supporter upgrade

Repfreak..Supporter upgrade

Craig-s..Supporter upgrade

Panerai153

vortx

Mickeypage..Plati renewal

billkuk..Plati upgrade

DZAIRICK..Supporter upgrade

dd417..Plati upgrade

cc..Supporter upgrade

sevenstars.. for donating a Cartier Santos XL

bobbean.. for his donation of an awesome strap

PeteM.. For his Breitling Bentley donation

Thank you all.. and let's keep the raffle rolling with upgrades

AC/Lani

All that is left to said is JAG you've been Ubi'd.. which is quite a plain statement for such a act of kindness and generosity..

My thought's have been with you all throughout this project.. and I could not think of a more deserving member and such a pillar of the community as Ubi to take on a project of pure love for a fellow RWG'r..

These types of acts by the gracious members here just add to the testament that RWG is really more than just watches.

Welcome Ling !!.. Breitling wouldn't be your number 1 obsession ???

And thank you for the intro.. a lot of registered members just come to purchase a rep safely.. and then their gone.. not that that is a bad thing.. but those who stay find much more than they bargained for.. so thanks for participating..and hope you continue to post questions and thought's.

the support for your hobby is tremendous here.. and members are always willing to lend a hand in sourcing parts or helping with parts themselves to bring your reps to another level..

whatever you need just holla, and someone will surely be there for you..

Take time to check out some of the reviews so your choices will be of value to you .. a lot of time is taken for pictorials and written reviews.. believe me they are invaluable to this hobby..

We're looking forward to pics of your new arrivals..

AC/Lani

Nice topic D..

how bout a rainbow of colours..to brighten up the spring time breeze

AC/Lani