PeteM

I just did that Pete, still no upgrade to my profile, what's wrong? I need the admin!

Wednesday AND Sunday..... must be both or you get nowt !!

Fury

I shall upgrade you now mate.....

You should walk out of your house and find the nearest large public space and stand in the middle of it ....I then want you to get on bended knee and hold your rep in your hand aloft.... I then want you to say out loud....

"This rep shall restore my soul and mind; this great forum of the RWG shall guide me in the path of righteous reps  For RWG name's sake. And even though I walk through the valley of the shadow of gen wearers , I shall fear no evil, for RWG art with me; Your reps and Your advice, they shall comfort me. RWG members shall prepare a table or list of great reps before me in the presence of all and lay asunder those who consider us charlatans; RWG shall have anointed my head and my wrist with light clock oil; And my reps shall overflow in the land of the gens..."

Now once you have repeated this twice...once on a Wednesday and once on a Sunday outside church...then you shall be upgraded my son and shall arise from your bended knee a man of reps and RWG...

honest !!

good news

Maybe but they dont do RM straps !!

Welcome mate and thank you for restoring my faith

My wife used to think I was crazy... but ever since I moved her into the freezer she hasnt raised an eyebrow at anything I have bought...

I think you are right about the HBB Diver mate.... as for the others.... that 312 ..your choices currently decent OTB are the KW or Zf makers latest versions.... there is a new version 305 coming out shortly but if you want something simialr and new then try the 389 or wait a bit for the new 382.... the U boat you want is not made currently so try the M2Ms...and what about a Noob 104 for an auto PAM which has a closed CB so you get the auto and no movement seen might also be more comfy than the 312 mini fiddy case as that sits very high on the wrist...

I look forward to seeing what you go with over coming months... but I am sure that list will change by the end of this thread...

ying

I have seen this discussed before on here and elsewhere..mainly in the Rolex sections

I dont recall anyone actually coming to a conclusion however it was agreed that dealers misdescribed any GMT as a 2813 wherein it was a 3804b...though that aint relevant here.... but what else was discussed was that the 3804b was a purpose built GMT and the 2813 GMT used the day wheel to run the GMT function... there was also something about the hack..

Both had same hands as they were both using a miyota sized hands that it was based on..was it the 8125?

Sorry I am just repeating what I read.. but one thing I do remember is that there were 3804b and 2813 with reddish transmission wheels which had added to the confusion about what dealers sold as 2813s and 3804bs....

Blush     

French

Scarlett

Always liked the Bigger subs....

These are lovely OTB reps and with a few simple mods they can be great...but regardless still great reps...it was this or the Fiddy or MM up until recently but I am starting to like a lot of the new rep 47 subs that are starting to come along... and that are soon to be released..

At least it adds to the choices which is never a bad thing

Congrats and wear it in good health

Nice share Big Man

Thank you

I hope guys see I am not blaming anyone if they have been...TBH most of us have... in this game it happens...moreso years back and a lot of guys found their way here after being scammed themselves...

I hate to use the word "greed" but I cant think of another way of encompassing the ethos of the nature of a successful scammer.... any scammer relies on the guy he is scamming to be "greedy" for what ever is on offer beit a watch or a million quid from a Nigerian bank account..etc .

You can know many things and read everything and still get had over.... to avoid it... just do all you can to know as much as you can...and most of that info and advice that gives the basics is here already... the rest follows from that.. but its important that everyone never assumes anything and does all they can to satisfy themselves whether they are the seller or the buyer..it goes both ways and it is so important to remember that...

And most importantly if in any doubt ... any doubt whatsoever ...dont do it...

Maybe just set your own rules and say.. for example whether buying or selling..

I wont deal with anyone I dont know or know of or cant check with others I know here that know him

I wont deal with any one with less than one year of active use on the forum

I wont deal with anyone with feedback of less than 5 or wont deal with anyone with any negative FB etc

If you give yourself a set of personal rules and stick to them and then follow the advice set out on the forums ... then you may well avoid the possibility of being a victim of anyone out to fool you.

Good luck mate...

with the brownie points I mean ..

LOL...!

Well at least it justifies you moving on to the watches..

If you cant see what you want ...you should try contacting Ken at Bergies with a pic or pics of what you are after...if there is a good version of it... Ken will find it for you..

mind

Lots of good advise Pete, the only point i'd like to add is - 

ALWAYS BUY THE SELLER, in other words if the member or Dealer has lots of positive feedback, regularly posts on the forum and seems to be an honest lot, then you stand a chance of getting what your buying.Just remember your not buying a Gen, you can't go knocking on Goldsmiths door because a hands fallen off. Which of course they do on Gens too   

I think that is a great adage mate and very true when buying anything....I avoided using it in my thread as it is a bit harder if you are new or inexperienced..and although it is good advice its not something that you can do so easily in this game...

It is almost like there is no answer or easy method..... it is more like there are a series of indicators (or maybe checkboxes if you like) and it is important to learn to recognise those indicators..indicators can be good they can be bad... and can never be considered on thier own but as a larger consideration... its like a trail you follow it and if anything doesnt seem right then you stop you go back and check your tracks... then you decide whether to move on again or end the trail there... the problem is sometimes we see that something aint right but we keep moving forward because we are being pushed by that 'greed' or excitement maybe.. but you know what I mean I hope..

my main point was that with reps we seem to forget that becaue of that 'greed' factor or excitement if you like... I know when buying gens...you get the time to do that and discuss watches and the watch etc etc and almost build up a rapport with the guy... to the point you usually stay in contact after the deal is done etc

Hello mate..

Run! ...Run now while you can ...

I have like most guys here been reading a few threads about guys getting scammed or mis-sold watches and services etc and the question I guess most of us ask is how could this happen on such a great forum like this ?

I thought that myself and I would like to think that I am savvy enough to avoid those same pitfalls that most guys seem to have in those threads... I am sure most us do think that...

But it can happen..it happens in life and outside this forum in all sorts of ways..

So I thought ...Would it help if there was a sticky thread setting out guidelines or advice..I even thought maybe I should write one and post it and guys could add points or improve points I made and together we could create something that would help ..maybe

But then I thought if I did that then it would need to be short and concise and readable and indeed read...

So if you consider all that you end up realising that you cannot do that and be certain that your aim in writing it will be of any use....

The fact is - There is plenty of good advice and info already here on this forum and in addition elsewhere .... from advice to buying on ebay or on other forums and generally on the web...plus most importantly simple common sense..

It is like guys moaning that dealers links are wrong and 'we' can be scammed...but surely if you have read the advice and you know how this game is legally speaking then you would know from common sense that they would change regularly so its reasonable to do a check that the link is current especially if you then look at dates of threads etc..

So IMHO the idea of a guide is pretty pointless...

I say that because... as most of us can see most new guys really dont read the info already available on the forum so why would they read a guide?

You can see that most new guys just post a thread or question that has been asked a dozen times before and in most cases dont even post it in the correct section so clearly they havent as they claim searched... maybe they might do better to ask how to search rather than ask the question they do.. as the search tool does take some getting used to especially in terms of what you ask it to search....

But then you consider guys that say I aint new.. I aint a noob... what about me?

But the truth is we are all noobs ....its just we are noobs in different areas...for example if I wanted a Rolex I would be a noob ..if i wanted to buy an IWC I would be a noob.... it goes on for all of us... you see so many guys with say a year here referring to noobs... but they are just a noob as those guys...we all are in different ways... I still considered myself a noob after a few years here... and for the most part I still am a noob...

If you have only bought one watch or 3 watches you are a noob... if you have only sold one watch or 5 watches you are still a noob..... if you get my point?

If you ahve been here 5 years or 2 months you can be a noob..if you have 5 posts or 6000 posts you can still be a noob...

Your feedback or length of membership or post count entitles you to expect nothing and nor should you... and no one dealing with a guy based on that alone should use that to judge them either...

Even now I still read stuff that was stickied for new guys... it helps and in turn I use it to move me forward..it isnt always the answer but it sends me in the right direction to get the answer...it requires me to use my own head and take it forward..it is not there as the onladvice needed..it is to guide and get you on the right wavelength to investigate more..

Even now as I write this I know most guys wont read this or read it through as its too long and wordy... most guys that will already know the score or most of it when it comes to these sorts of issues..

The truth is any of us can get scammed..its just the more experienced you are the more experienced the scammer needs to be....

We can make all the guidelines, scamlists and advice we want..but if no one reads it or takes the basic advice and uses their own initiative to use that and take it forward then scammers will continue to succeed...

Then if you factor in the reasons why we get scammed...

With money you get scammed because you are greedy... that is a fact..it is your greed that feeds a scam and its success...

Its very similar in the rep game..

If you are a seller...and you need to sell to buy your next wish list rep..and the watch isnt budging and been there a while then you are more easily caught in a scam ...same if you are trading etc etc

If you are a buyer you see a watch you really want ..you want to be first to get it and not miss it then you are more easily scammed..same as if its a great price or its a rare piece etc etc

Because of that you dont necessarily follow the considered approach...to do your due diligence, check feedback, here elsewhere (other forums etc), ask suitable questions, get to know the seller/buyer, consider location (customs risks, Shipping risks etc), consider methods of payment, (PP with fees never as gift or Bankwire)... etc etc... and if any of these questions raise a concern then you should really dig back into everything again..not just that part of your concern..

For example... someone may say they want it as gift... that immediately should make you question everything...not just the payment...

If that still leaves some uncertainty then contact members, post a feedback reference question here or elsewhere...

And ultimately if you have any doubt dont buy it dont sell it..... because even though you may have doubt ultimately it is that 'greed' part of you that is allowing yourself to be open to being scammed and no amount of advice or guidelines is going to help you avoid that...

Much as I understand the route you took....

If you go to the main question.... "Did you breach the RWI forum rules and open a PP dispute without Forum approval"

The answer is yes as you state so no matter anything else mate as in most cases of 'self defence' the rules dont always help the guy defending himself... but they is the rules.

When selling I always video the watch working and resetting correctly prior to packing with timestamp...that way I can show the watch is functioning prior to leaving me... because it is very easy no matter the packaging for a rep to die in transit.... it has happened to me on a few occasions and I have never complained I just consider it part of the risk...

As for the scratches well I cant comment on that ... one mans scratch is another mans desk swirl... it is a very subjective and eyesight related opinion...by eyesight I am not being crass I genuinely mean that what one persons sees another may not for many reasons....and can be totally genuine in the reasoning.. within reason

In that case I would buff out the scratches or have them buffed out..... again for me its part of the game...

Without seeing the sales thread or knowing the way you bought it..ie your questions etc then my initial response is you seem to expect more from this hobby and buying than maybe you should...dont get me wrong mate I aint saying you have just that you seem to from what you write...

TB is a good guy IMHO and can be a bit curt at times but he is absolute when it comes to rules especially given the way you moved off the process required under RWI rules...

I can see why you might but you must also understand the otherside of the coin and look at it as if you were the mod on RWI.... and accept you made a considered choice to sort out the issue you had with your watch outside the process required.... maybe it was out of frustration but regardless you chose that course...

TBH Iif I was a mod I would hve to have banned you too...

But maybe thats why i aint a mod

That is updated mate the number is one of the correct ones from the release range so don't panic mate.

I have some pics I will dig out of the gen mate and let you have them.

I will have to find them on my external hd first.

I would be happy to put something together if it is something a few guys would want..

I have started my own experiments/trail and errors with the sateene compund now so I guess the thread question is moot now..

Sorry to hear this mate..... I think we have all been scammed at some stage and at some level whether it was before joining here or since so most guys will know your pain and anger...

In hindsight it is always easy to say something but at the time not so easy... I guess even if you translated the receiptyou would still only have seen package and weight etc so know way to know...

Maybe knowing what you know now it might be useful to go back through wjhat you did and how you researched the guy and see if you can found out more in terms of what SS has said above..it wint help but it might teach...

Its something i would do so please dont think i am lecturing..

Sorry again mate...

Chelsea

Yes mate..

You are right ..apologies

Thank you