rolli

guys we need more donation,

the goal is still not reached.

remember..... we had a crash,

your help is needed

rolli

is it to difficult to give money for donation ????

come on guys

rolli

buy a case-tube from T and use the o-ring.

rolli

come on guys.........we need more donation

rolli

hahahah...no......$20,--

rolli

I had made one earlier in the month but it doesn't look like the tally carried over after the "Great Server Fire of 2011". I think the total was around $30 before the weenie roast...

so........guys,

did you make your donation for rwg ????

i've made the start.

rolli

i wish you all a happy slide in the new year

all the best and much success for 2011.

happy new year

rolli

for clarification:

the development of Pvd and Dlc processes are not made for watches.

it is made for high end industy standards and products and for exteme material protections.

one day panerai thought, ok, the pvd process is a good coating to give our pams a new look.

later many other watch brands are followed.

and then later it came the dlc coating and panerai were the first again.

the standard pvd / dlc processes have a standard color, and this is black.

the pvd process is a plasma metalize process in connection with a matal alloy plate in the pvd machine.

the target gets a metal coating, and the basis color is black.

a little bit influence brings the surface blasting with glass bead or with fine granulate and then glas bead blasting.

with this light refraction of the surface the color will be anthracite or more grey.

the dlc is a totally other process.

here it is used pure carbon with plasma procedure to coat the target product.

totally other machines than for the pvd process.

dlc brings a extreme high abrasion resistance and acid resistance.

high end standards and producs and especially for medical products.

also here the color is black. the suface blasting influenced here only a little bit, to a dark anthracite or dark graphite color.

some further developments have brought the result, to mix the plasma process with carbon and a small share of tungsten.

further fields of applications are possible.

the carbon plasma or carbon tungsten plasma process coating has a extreme high hardness.

also here the basis color is black.

never to forget, all the processes are made for industry products with a extreme high surface application.

not for watches.

the black color is the result of the plasma machines.

watch brands use these coatings as gimmick / trend.

also other pvd or dlc process colors are possible, but this is another theme.

color manipulations on pictures comes always from a cheap camera and a bad light conditions.

i never use artificial light or daylight lamps.

my camera shots are made outside with a canon 100mm macro lens.

but pictures are never a perfect reference for a real assessment.

the different plasma machine developments make the color.

no machine is developed for watch coatings.

many pvd and dlc companies use different plasma machines for different applications.

and some of them have also the watch coating.

only the dlc companies know whether they use pure carbon plasma process or carbon mixed with tungsten plasma process.

for the next case dlc coating i will use a company with carbon / tungsten plasma machine.

then also here we will see the color result.

i hope this little review helps to understand a bit more.

rolli

as i have already stated,

this DLC coating here is a pure carbone dlc coating, and not mixed with tungsten.

this company used the pure carbone DLC coating only for watches and for medical instruments.

other companies use the dlc coating = carbone mixed with tungsten for medical parts and tools and also for dental implants

and many other parts.

the dlc coating mixed with tungsten has a grey graphit color.

with the next pam case i will use the dlc coating with carbone / tungsten, then we see the color difference.

note: only these both dlc coatings are on market.

rolli

You still didn't answer my question Roli,

You just mentioned the different processes, which doesn't clarify anything, the fact of the matter is that your DLC coating is too dark, looks more PVD, don't mean to thread crap here, just wish you could do the different process to make it look grayish and truer to gen, otherwise it just looks very similar to DSN just in DLC instead of PVD, and when side to side with gen, you will see a big difference, and in my circle of friends, there are 3 gen 360's, so that is not an option. Just look at Bob's pictures to realize that, the radiomir is spot on, please don't take this personal, trying to make you offer a better product. After all, that is why you posted here correct?

MERRY CHRISTMAS for all of you.

it's always a big pleasure to be here.

rolli

your thought is wrong.

some companies offer dlc coating - pure carbon coating

and some companies offer dlc coating - carbon coating mixed with tungsten.

pure carbon is more dark pencil graphite,

carbon with tungsten is more grey graphite.

depending on the application is both requested.

note: dlc coating is an industry standard and not made for watches.

watches are a byproduct.

rolli

Am I the only one that thinks this is too dark?, it should have a pencil lead look, grayish tone to it. Look at B's Gen!

this oem sapphire crystal is made for the genuine cases not for the rep cases.

the gen cases have another construction for the crystal.

rolli

released in 2005 = H-serie = first change = only Crown-bridge type ( some models already got the new crown-guard in 2004 )

released in 2007 = J-serie = second change = crown-guard-new lever with rollerwheel, new hexagon case-tube, new crown type,

automatic pams got also the strap-quick-release spindle ( handwind pams kept the long standard lug-horn screws )

rolli

I'd love to hear what the experts feel about these cases, now that a member has actually received one and provided some close-up pics. Hopefully they don't have a 'proprietary' caseback threading

Also, did all the manual case sets come with hex crown tubes? Or just after a particular series? referring to case, not CG

pvd prices via PM.

dlc prices next week.

for a complete 360 Dlc, let us wait till the 1:1 dial is ready.

rolli

new dial will be made with my local professional dialmaker, it will be extreme perfect.

hands from fgd.

rolli

Great! With new 111case, fgd dial, your dlc and jako caseback it is going to be perfect!

hi everybody,

here is the first view of the coming dlc service,

pam 360 DLC

case: cartel

crown-bridge: wholesaleoutlet

crown: palp crown

dial and hands: davidsen

sapphire without ar: davidsen

caseback: davidsen

movement: swiss original unitas 6497 new old stock ( no eta 6497 )

canon pinion: H3

strap: genuine alligator vintage tan

all installation by my watchmaker

DLC 3000 coating including the two step blasting procedure made by a local dlc company

note: for the first view i used the 360 davidsen parts

note: a new 360 dial production is in preparation by myself, also new hands from FGD

note: i will show the next DLC coating with the new 111J

enjoy

rolli

released is the pam177L

and the 111 is the 111J

rolli

Hublot 111L

Not sure about you guys but this one isn't as 1:1 as I was hoping it to be.

The lume is an improvement, but the super-thin top sandwich, standard rep finish mov't and the not so well defined crown that's 'squeezed' to the case make me think the 'ultimate' 111 may end up being a mix of the best parts from Noob 111K and Hublot 111L.

IMO, the 111K dial from Noob comes with the top dial with more correct thickness, when relumed it should be a better choice than the 111L dial from Hublot.

I know it's early photos etc and we haven't seen better ones posted by Angus yet but let's talk...

cheers,

b

i think the stem is not too long.

the case-tube is made of two parts.

the outer tube ring and the inner thread tube.

but the thread tube must be a bit deeper in the case tube ring, but both parts are glued together in the case.

with another radiomir my watchmaker splitted both tubes in connection with a ultrasonic bath, that the glue was removable and the case-tube came out.

he glued both tubes together in the right condition. so the crown could be screwd till the stop point.

rolli

Seems like most of the 288 reps have a stem that's a bit too long, causing the crown not to screw in all the way. How hard would it be to shorten it? Is it a simple DIY project, or would we be better off taking it to a watchsmith? It would be way beyond awesome if someone could post a tutorial.

wait,

davidsen will produce a new 111H or a J-serie too.

rolli

Anyone can compare it with DSN111H?

111J Comparison

rolli

064 sub 1000m. has a black dial with a silver-grey subdial and long minute marker on the bezel.

087 sub 1000m. has a blue dial with a blue ( matched ) subdial and short minute marker on the bezel.

rolli

What a pity...

A nice 064 with a blue dial would be awesome!

now i have the company which can make the composite process with watch parts.

currently i'm in the first test phase for the 339 composite.

i have different aluminium alloy plates ( 50 x 50mm ) for the anodize process to see the different

color results, which gives the darkest aluminium oxyd and which is the best to

colorize in deep dark brown ( black-brown ) with the second principle of anodize process.

the aluminium oxyde are mostly dark grey or light grey. so after it must be colorize.

so..this is the first serie of tests.

to make a deep dark brown result with a titanium case and pvd coating is not possible,

because it has been shown that the brown pvd is only possible with a perfect result,

when only one case is in the pvd chamber, but this too expensive.

when there are more cases in the pvd chamber for the brown color, then only the cases in the

center of the chamber get the perfect coating result, the other will be spotted on the surface.

this is a physical problem and no solution for this.

that's why the companies have this dark brown pvd color not anymore.

rolli

Rolli, I trust you like a dog and you know it.

Still I hope it might be possible to rep this by using a titanium case and applying a particular PVD process based on SLOB learning?

I guess no since you say it's impossible but am still keen on your answer :-)

mg

no.......

requirement for a composite process is the case must be produced in aluminium alloy ( ALMGSI1 )

the anodise process in a bath with anode and cathode, but reversed, the alu case gets on top of the surface the aluminium oxyde.

this material named chemical ceramic oxyde material.

this method called composite procedure or ceramization process too.

same procedure with the pam 339.

rolli

Is that the same 'innovative' material used in the watch that this poor guy's PAM was made of?

ha....unfortunately impossible

rolli

Would be a nice rep

Carpe Diem

Cats

and don't forget........

PVD Coating by Rolli