Both of these are J12's. I have a TC and a TW best, on which I installed a TC dial and hands, I think they are both very good reps to excellent of the 16622 without spending too much. About 2 months ago I got the blue dial 116622 that you linked to above and am extremely happy with it. One can see small flaws if one looks hard enough and the subject of the dial color is always debated. I've looked at it and compared it to a gen in an AD's window and it is amazingly accurate, much better than the BP version. Comparing it to TC'c, albeit with the silver dial, it's also excellent. Just my observations.