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The difficulty with this is finding a quartz movt big enough for the base watch. The 6497 movt is 16.5 lignes (37.15mm) and is one of the biggest movts there is. Originally it was designed for a pocketwatch and would have had the winding crown in the vertical position and the seconds counter at the 6 o'clock (turn it on it's side and bingo - a wristwatch!). You would need to have a spacer ring machined to fit a quartz movt then find hands to fit the cannon pinion and hour wheels, and the stem might not fit the crown. It's not impossible but not easy either. Why not consider an automatic movt model. Your friend only needs to have it wound fully once then continue wearing it to keep it wound (and maybe a winder for when it is not worn) - they usually have around a 40+ hour power reserve when not worn. This would likely work out cheaper than modding an existing watch and I would imagine that someone could easily reset the time if it wavered.

It's you!!!

Oh dear - the mind boggles!!!

It's interesting to note that there are a lot of reps appearing with damn near perfect crowns - so someone has been listenening. I just received one of the PAM subs and the crown on that is almost faultless!!!

I would think it unlikely a fault with the actual movt. It could be that the movt spacer ring which has cut-outs for the pushers may not be aligned in the case so that the date pusher is not free to move properly. On some watches the pusher is a long rod going through the spacer directly contacting the movt and on others it is a short rod with another floating rod bridging the gap in the spacer ring.

Nothing wrong with using it as this is how it is designed to be - exactly the same with a real PAM. The times are only 23.00-02.00 (not 04.00). This is because the datewheel gear has a cam that engages with the teeth of the datewheel and rotates it to the next date during these times. So when using the quickset this cam needs to be clear of the teeth on the inner edge of the date wheel to allow the wheel to freely rotate when the quickset pusher is pushed.

There is another post where someone was concerned that their 7753 is faulty as the quickset date has not worked properly. The quicksetr date mechanism is excatly the same as the gen and there are certain rules that must be observed. You must not use the quickset date on this movt between the hours of 23.00-02.00 as it will interfere with the normal date changeover mechanism as the time rolls past midnight. I will update this later with the exact times but it is important to observe this instruction as you risk damaging the movt otherwise. During these times you can only change the date by advancing the hands. If you had a gen watch it would have had instructions to tell you this.

The quickset date button is exactly the same as the gen and nothing has changed with the different cases. The only way to change the date on the 7753 is by this button or by advancing the hands. There is no position on the crown for date setting. DO NOT use the quickset button to change the date between 23.00 - 02.00 (I cannot remember the exact times but that is close enough), as it then interferes with the mechanism for rolling the date over with the normal passing of time - during these times you need to change the date by advancing the hands. This applies to any VJ movt with a quickset date. The rep makers unfortunately do not include instructions so you would not have known.

Well I had this very discussion with Marco when he first sent me the dial. I was looking into alternatives for a more T type look but then we decided to do it in SL anyway - the results speak for themselves. I don't think there is any real noticeable difference. The yellower looking rep lume does give a slighty different colour to the SL so it is quite close to the original T colour.

Oops, almost forgot - Marco, thanks for the review. The photo's do look good, splendid photography!! Actually it's funny as I have just taken delivery of the same watch (off for PVD next week) and as the dial is a T dial I was going to leave it as is, but now Iv'e seen the pics I think I will have to do it after all. Selling me to me (as Marco put it) is not what his review was intended for!!

Rob, thanks for the compliment, coming from you is indeed an honour. Actually, and I'm sure Rob would agree, this type of dial is not as difficult as some due to the rep lume being very glossy to start with. It allows the new lume to flow more easily although run off is more of a danger.

Holy cow this man is insane I tell you - how can anyone ruin a rep movt with bits from a gen - sacrilige!!!!!

The thickness of the Poljot is 7.34. The pushers are 13.75 apart.

Not sure if it's any use but I have a Poljot 3133 for sale (VJ 34). The measurements for it are: Sub dial spacing - 15.90 Sub seconds (left hand sub dial) - .18 Sub minutes (right hand subdial) - .20 Centre seconds - .26 Cannon Pinion - .90 Hour wheel - 1.40

Agreed. In fact Jimmys CG's are the same as some of the rep ones. You can tell by looking at the inside. Some are laser cut and have jagged edges (the subs are a good example) and others are properly machined like the one on my PAM 28, which is the same as Jimmys except for the silicone rubber sleeve. You could probably use the insulation from some electrical cable to do the job. The CG I got from Jimmy had a problem in that the pin was not tight in the CG and would have just fallen out were it not for the sleeve.

You are probably more likely to see God before you see a genuine rotor. How many genuine PAM's do you think are torn down and flogged of as bits so that you would find just the rotor? The rotor you have is genuine!!! And in fact this one I think has engraving directly onto it rather than a stuck on plate. Hope you are not trying to make it 99.9% with an ulterior motive in mind!!!

The measurements for the Venus Seagull T19 movt are: Sub dial spacing - 15.50mm Hand fitments are : Subdials - .26 Centre seconds - .26 Cannon pinion - .94 Hour wheel - 1.40

Its suprising that PAM (who I know was watching this thread a little while ago) has not responded to any of the remarks made here. After posting my critique I did send him a long email explaining that there is an expectation amongst the members that those who are in a position to give a report do so in a fair an unbiased manner, which is what I did, and he did not reply. I realise that I may have damaged PAM's market but enough advice and detailed photos was given in the run up to producing these crowns so that if they are not right then members need to know especially as they were not the cheapest accessory.

All the PAM's have waterproofing the same as any normal watch as they use standard watchmaking principles in the reps. It would need to be checked before going swimming as I have seen a couple where an O ring has been damaged and lessening the proofing. All casebacks are watertight and the stems have seals in the crowns and in the crown tube.

Hope you know what you're getting into - Paneraitis is highly infectious and you'll never have a box big enough to hold all of them!!!

Ok lets see now. The only reason the disply back models are sometimes wrong (and this case comes with a display back as the 111) is because they used the plain ETA movt with engraved foils stuck on the bridge plates. This style of the movt was only visible on the PAM036 Marina Militaire. There are versions of the PAM 111 that come with the correct shaped bridges (the makers modify the ETA movt the same way that ETA do for Panerai) and these are the G and H series PAM 111's. They are also very accurate. All the casebacks are engraved, none of them are etched, so again all are accurately made. Sometimes the wrong caseback is fitted and the 005 logo is a good example. This has the logo caseback which should be on the older PAM 000 Pre-A model. So the only important thing to do on the 001 is to re-lume it. Lello crowns are no longer available but there maybe an alternative coming soon (I say maybe). The CG is no different from a Jimmy except his have a rubber tube that surrounds the pin which makes them less loose. You could easily upgrade the existing CG by doing the same thing as jimmy's CG's are not cheap. Recessed pin is fixable, but I am currently awaiting new stocks and they will be some time coming yet. Some PAM's do not need the new pin to sort the problem but this one probably would.

Just got mine - they are nice. Bit narrow inserts for the 47mm watches. And the real problem for me is that I need another one!! Is that showing off.

I'm sure I saw one once!!

I just bought this from Exper secondhand. I have to say the crown and CG are superb. The crown is the correct shape, looks fat, has the proper bevel and is hard up against the case with a good click on the lever. The CG crown cutout is also shallower so looks much more like a gen CG. What a pity about the movt . It could be changed for a valjoux 7750 if you could get hold of the 7750 versions hands. The bezel letters are laser cut so have a jagged edge, which is very sharp and could catch on clothing - ripping the letter off. The gen letters are properly finished on the sides and edges so this could do with some work. Otherwise its not bad for the money at all.