Noob Version, I have the white dial one. The black dial is not Matte like the gen and apparently the date wheel is not beveled like the gen. This is what I have read in reviews. I always get the Asian 25j movements as they are reliable for me and the fact I don't trust that when you buy the swiss one, that you actually get the eta movement. The lume is a little lumpy on the white one but the super lume on it is amazing. The black dial doesn't have lumpy lume but I have no idea how strong the lume is.