Stephane

Easiest tell with the exception of a few super clones that are out there is the balance jewel retainer housing. The housing on the ETA has 3 relief cut outs to insert/remove the balance jewel cap retainer. The clone only has one. In 99% of cases this can be used to identify quickly if it is gen or not.

Thanks for that.

If you have time one of these days, maybe you could post a photo of it for those, like me, who have less experience in movements ?

I did not take new photos but tried to show the differences.

- The two first one are from a Tissot, no question of course, this is the original factory 2836-2 custom made for that brand, Tissot.
 

- The third one is from a rep with a genuine Eta as long as I know. It's a OEM sold by the ETA factory for brands not belonging to the "Swatch Group".

- The fourth one is from a rep with a clone...This has nothing to do with the ETA factory obviously.

I tried to highlight the fact that the wheels are the most obvious tell.
Of course, if we want to compare the stamps I should take the exact same pictures from the same distance and angle of all the movements.
But it wouldn't be very helping as much as the wheels though...

NOTE: just realized that the third movement was NOT carrying any markings on the left of the 2836-2 engraving...

In my opinion yes as I'm not able to spot anything else but some are more qualified than me.

If you take a look at the Tissot & Explo (roll your mouse over the photos to see the file names) they look smooth where the DeepSea is not ...

But then, if you (I) do not have both handy you might not able to tell.

Chinese "Eta" do have the stamping.

From what I noticed, but hey we're not in the perfect world where everything can be 100% true, the genuine Eta (Swiss) have their Eta logo stamped slightly more under the wheel.

See the pictures here under.

I'm pretty confident about the fact that there are no rules because I have a Tissot with a 2836-2 and the stamp seems different from other Etas....

I personally prefer to consider my reps have all fake Etas so I'm not disappointed ;-)
I also do not buy genuine Etas from our TD...the Chinese ones work perfectly well.

For eagle eye experts, and I'm not, the probable way to spot a fake from a real is the finish of the wheels which seem to have smoother edges than the CN ones.

It seem obvious on my Deep Sea (first and last picture).

No backdoor selling. Post a sales thread if you want to sell a watch.

Indeed. Specially for a non contributing member who I personally warned several time.

We'll see what the team decide but in my humble opinion this is one too much. theoanast

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Yes, welcome and bye bye !

hi mate. i have for sale a Super franken 11613 two tone submariner Swiss eta 2836 with MBK caseset gen crystal and tube two tone bracelet 21 micron waterproof tested 5 ATM amazing watch if you interest or someone else please tell me your email for pics cause as simple member i can not upload Asking 450$ net

thank you

theo

Theoanast,

As you say you are a simple member...so why should we let you post a sale ?

Posting in the topic of someone else is also extremely rude.

Consider you warned and stop doing this.

Become a supporting member.

For the staff,

Stephane

Oh, no God.

I'm so sorry to hear that.

Let's have thoughts for him and his.

HappyNiversaire !

I'm very sorry for your loss Micky.

This is a very hard time, but I'm so glad you're there with her.  It would be 1000 times worse if you were trying to get on a plane.

 

Hold her hand and talk to her.  She hears you.  Treasure this day.

Can't find words...

Once again, our thoughts are with you and yours.
It's a terrible experience to loose a mum.

It's even worse to see her decline and approach the inevitable.

I will not pray as I'm no believer but I will multiply my thoughts of you and her.

Warm regards,

Stephane

Thanks a lot for your input guys...! 

It confirms what I suspected 

I feel terrible when I read/hear such news.
This isn't different and as usual, words are not helping.
My thoughts are with you and yours.

Stephane

 

 

Sounds promising Stephane! Enjoy my friend. We salute you! 

I'll post photos of my bruises tomorrow first thing   

Stephane.. We were trying to cover up our secret love affair, but you've exposed us. 

I'll punish myself tonight ...

and ask my girlfriend do it 

That should be hurting but ....gooooood 

finally out in open, sorry Av

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Oh, sorry to have interrupted your love affair with Beach 

I never drink beer...only red wine 

Don't really see the point in this discussion. Thank you again for your kindness. Having a bad day? I'm not a "fake spotter"; Nice secundum quid. Mature.

"You've come to the right place"; like I've signed up to this forums today. Take another look at the join-date, perhaps.

 

Let's see if you're mature enough to stay away from commenting again; since you're not doing any good to this thread. 

Keep calm and have a beer 

Sorry mate. This is an open forum and community.

You should accept comments from other members in my humble opinion.

I read the comments and cannot disagree that trying to put the ultimate list of tells is for sure not something that has been done before because....it's simply impossible.
Reps are coming in soooo many versions (from V1 to VXX) !

All have tells, not the same ones on each version.

All the best,

Stephane

But, I would like to add that so far my Tissot, Explorer II with gen ETA and my DeepSea with Clone ar all running perfectly well.
So, is it worth going the extra money? 

Not sure anymore...

Now, here is the Tissot

I checked my genuine ones and I can tell you guys it's quite easy to spot, and still confusing.
That said, the pics of the movement on top of this threat are 100% from a clone.

The gen Eta has very smooth wheels and,...which is a surprise once again, although not new information, the logo is poisoned on the movement like it's bitten by the plates.

My reference is my Tissot PRS which is a genuine 2836-2 of course.

Pics of a genuine one installed by Andy in my Noob Explorer.