TeeJay

This help?:

http://horologyzone.com/watch/watch-school/automatic-watch-disassembly.html

If not, forward the link to this thread to The Zigmeister.

Thanks for the link, sadly, it's not showing me exactly what I need to see... I found this guide which has got me on the right lines, but I really need help with identifying each part so I can place it correctly... So far, the only bit I'm sure I've identified, is the intermediate reduction wheel and the jewelled chronograph bridge... The movement itself is still working, it's just this auto-winding part which self-destructed

Oh well, talk about a crash course in watch repair

Wow TJ, your wife's wrists look kinda beefy in those pictures you took Nice watch!

I couldn't get her to let me take a wrist shot, but it did look awesome on her wrist Indeed, gorgeous watch, shame it's decided to self-destruct on us

I see. Thank you. I'm going to go ahead and disregard that statistic since it's completely meaningless... that is, of course, unless everyone's goal should be to be agreeable. I can't think of a bigger waste of time than that. I thought this was a discussion forum and not an "I'm ok... you're ok" support group. I thought it had something to do with a trading reputation (which would be something valuable). Calling it a "reputation" at all with that kind of a system is completely misleading (IMHO).

In other news, I would never have suspected you anyway. I would expect you to disagree with me directly and poignantly as if we have anything about which to disagree.

I agree, it is a totally meaningless statistic, and one I find could actually have serious consequences if people are trying to conduct sales, only to appear to have 'a bad reputation...'

You're quite right, it's sometimes only through differing opinions that a helpful resolution can be resolved

Glad to hear I wasn't 'Suspect Number One', I just didn't want you to think that I'd clicked the minus tag after posting my reply to you in the other thread As you say, anything can always be discussed directly

It means someone disagreed with something you said, so clicked on the little red minus sign at the bottom of the post. I can assure you that it was not me who did it. I found out the other day that I've got a -12 reputation thanks to the little clickers... The days of the thumbs up/thumbs down and other general 'quick response' tabs were much more constructive...

A few days ago, I saw this link posted http://www.eta.ch/swisslab/7750/7750.html, and I am hoping someone might have something similar for reassembling the movement of my wife's DJ...

I was about to take a photo to show the dealer how the bracelet link had failed, when I noticed the watch had stopped (right as I was holding it) A quick shake, and I heard a grinding noise from inside... Okay, I figured the rotor had come off when it fell... I can screw that back on, no problem... So I unscrew the caseback, only to be confronted by 6 little pieces of metal... A few 'cogs', a couple of screws, and a few 'bits' I can't even identify, as well as the chronograph bridge (which I seperated from the rotor myself to aid in the re-assembly...

It goes without saying that the watch is being returned, but, pride will not allow me to simply chuck the bits in the case and return it, I want to at least try and put it back together (even if it doesn't work) before returning it.

Any links or help would be greatly appreciated, as would if anyone can identify the numbered parts for me...

Thanks in advance

I know you guys have it really rough in the UK. But, at least you get GT-R's.

We do indeed A little out of my budget at the moment

That's a nice collection of blades you have there

I'm a real fan of knives, but UK law makes lock knives illegal to carry...

To be honest, even my Swiss Army knife could be cause for a little legal harassment, but would be easier to explain than this one, which cost me the princely sum of One British Pound

Good choice. My girl's got similar--not the mid-size, but the 26mm 79174, & with a different band:

That's looking pretty good I know DJs aren't "women's watches", but women sure do look good wearing them

I checked with WM9 and I was wrong; he has the Roman numeral dial in black, not white .. and the presidential band model is crenelated not smooth bezel.

Hm who was I thinking about in a silver face Roman dial DJ with white gold plated presidential band and smooth bezel ...

With so many variations on the DJ, it can be hard to remember who has what

Sorry to hear this, but hopefully it's just a weak pin in the bracelet. I doubt those chunky Presidential band links broke

Yeah, it definitely sounds like a weak pin. I haven't emailed the dealer yet, as it's not worth talking solutions till I know precisely what's happened. I might be able to just replace the link with one of the ones which I removed when sizing the bracelet. That is if I could find them... They seem to have vanished into thin air Worst comes to the worst, it might be as easy to order an Alpha bracelet, and just swap the clasps round... Not the end of the world, but disappointing, and I think frustrating for my wife... I'll be interested to see how well the case withstood the drop onto a hard floor

I've just had a phone call saying that links in the bracelet snapped... Great... Now I've got to wait till she finishes work in four hours to assess the damage and see if it merits a return, a new bracelet or whatever... Oh dear

Enjoy! I have been thinking about this very watch, as well ... doesn't WM9 make these in white gold plate over SS?

Thanks, she seems pretty pleased with it so far, and, I kept the links I removed just in case she gets bored of it

I'm not too sure what WM9 has, but it certainly wouldn't surprise me if he did have such a piece For what I paid for the one shown, if you've been thinking about the watch, it would be worth picking one up just to see how you like it If you were to not like it, I'm sure you would get your money back on it in an auction

As a sale raised more than the anticipated amount to get a new sub insert, I had been planning on buying myself another complete cheap sub as donor parts for my vintage sub, but, at the last minute, I decided to buy something for my wife instead. I'd had my eye on this particular watch for a while, and having tried on a gen DJ, felt it was a little small for me, but, having recalled Emily's very positive reaction to it, I wondered if she might like it instead (seeing as she wore her HBB Aspen to the point of destruction), so I took a chance and made the buy.

As always, excellent communications from the seller, and I would highly recommend them to anyone looking for some bargain purchases. The watch arrived today in the alloted time frame

Trying it on while sizing the links, I was really impressed with how it looks, and I might even consider getting myself one in the future... Initially, the bracelet links felt a bit 'grindy', but a dose of sewing machine oil got them flexing like butter-soft silicone, and, gave me the opportunity to get the watch wet... No fogging or condensation following immersion under the faucet on full flow, so I can only conclude that it's water-resistant I'm not too hot on DJ details, so I can only comment on my observations... Nice condition, very clean look, and the best date magnification I've seen on a rep. I noted that the 6s and 9s are open. Not sure if this is right or wrong, but it looked good My one criticism, and even then, it is not a major criticism, as it is something I have come to see that 'old stock photos' are clearly 'part and parcel' of the rep-world, is that the dial does not have the lume dots above the hour markers as in the advertised photo. Is it irritating to get something different to what I paid for... It is disappointing, but not a serious enough difference that I'm going to go screaming to the dealer about a bait and switch or demand a refund. I know that many trusted dealers have used old photos in the past, and, while I don't agree with the principle, I guess it's something which has to be tolerated in this game... I understand that gen DJs don't have the luminous markers, so I can accept it as an accuracy to the gen, rather than an inaccuracy to the display item, and Emily doesn't know the first thing about watches anyway, so wouldn't even care if I told her As above, even bearing this in mind, I would still consider ordering one for myself, as in every other way, the watch is as shown in the sale photo

I only managed to snap a few quick and dirty shots before she claimed it, and I don't think I'll be seeing it lying about any time in the near future to get better ones

Hope you enjoy the photos as much as she's enjoying the watch

PS I took the wrist shots having adjust the bracelet to fit Emily, so the fit is not right for me...

Congratulations to LeGambleur

This combo today...

Cheers! Arty

Interesting blend

Very nice The DSSD's never really quite pressed the right buttons for me, but this is a fantastic look at it from another perspective, thanks for taking the time to put it together and share

You are absolutely correct Although there is no hard and fast rules defining the amount of gen parts necessary, a rep with only a gen bezel insert or crown, might possibly not be referred to as a franken by the owner, where a rep with a gen dial possibly would be, and of course, once the watch has several primary gen parts, such as dial, hands, bracelet, etc, then it would definitely qualify as a franken. Welcome to the forum

Awesome idea

I very rarely go anywhere without my messenger bag, which also contains drawing and writing paper.

The earphones, phone, and knife, are all everyday pocket items, regardless of if I have my bag with me.

Oh joy, I now have a bad reputation because someone does not like what I write...

I respect your opinion but from my older university days i think you value different sets of product attributes when searching for a product. You associate with the brand but don't want to pay the price as you don't perceive quality and value for money. That is fair enough and you are probably satisfying your basic needs (maslow= safety, physiological while still achieving your esteem needs)...

Also was in no way twisting your words to support my case, simply stating the facts as you present them. To some 7 grand is not that much for a watch that will last 10 or 20 years and still have value at the end of that period. Gens hold their value and in some cases appreciate, a rep is still a rep no matter how "super" it is.

Don't take me the wrong way but i have enjoyed reps and don't hold any grudges towards people who wear them.

I would certainly say that is close to defining my opinion on gen watches (or for that matter, any branded product, which also has an acceptable generic equivalent)

To touch on the point you make about watches holding their value, for the most part, yes, I would absolutely agree with you, however, there are exceptions where reps can have a value along the line of gens: Movie props. Keifer Sutherland wore a rep Sub in the first series of 24. If that was to go up for auction, I could see it getting a considerable price. The same with the rep Daytona Uma Thurman held in Kill Bill Vol II. I only say this, as when OJ Simpson's creditors tried to call in his debts and seized his Rolex, it turned out to be a rep. People were offering to buy said rep for what would be gen price, simply because it was OJ Simpson's watch...

One thing that I have always wondered about these discussions is that even us WIS visualize Rolex synonymous to money and wealth.

A preowned Rolex costs 2K to 6K (the most popular modern stainless models). I mean, if you're interested in watches and you're a working adult, a few K's isn't a lot of money. Most of us average guys make that much every month.

People "invest" 30K on a silly car and nobody raises an eyelid... and people invest a lot of money to their hobbies. But when you're wearing a $4K Rolex suddenly you must be a rich man. Why the hell is that?

I could understand if we're talking about Patek, JLC or Breguet here... but it's only a lowly modern steel Rolex... not a real high end piece. The rarities and vintages are a different matter of course.

You're absolutely correct, I think the problem, is the R-Word. It's success is also it's undoing. The name is almost universally recognized, but, it is also universally linked to replication, so to the uninitiated, Rolex either = Super Rich, or, it = Fake, with no middle-ground, due to the misconception that Rolex watches are 'the best of the best' in terms of 'expensive watches' (which is of course totally false, but, it is the public perception of the brand... Another aspect which I think people forget, is how long an item can potentially last. For example, a pair of designer frames for eye-glasses can cost a lot of money, but, given the average 12 month lifespan of a pair (after that, it really is worth having the prescription checked, and possibly altered) when the cost is broken down to how much it costs on a daily basis, it is probably still cheaper than buying daily disposable contact lenses, and much less than people might spend on other vices like cigarettes, coffee or alcohol on a daily/weekly basis. Given that there are vintage Subs still in existence from the 50s, it's reasonable to expect a modern Sub to be equally functional in 50 years time, and, if a young man was to buy a Sub in his early twenties (such as a friend of mine who is a Royal Navy submariner) in theory, he need never buy another watch in his lifetime. When viewed from that perspective, the cost of the watch breaks down very reasonably. Of course, without corporate greed, that retail price could still be considerably cheaper (and that's where Reps come in

LOL

It's pretty funny when you think about it, isn't it

On the contrary by wearing such a piece on land that is, would boast the wearer ego tremendously

True, sadly, to the untrained observer, such a piece may come across as over-compensation for other shortcomings

That aside, in the material world that we live in, watches are just another item for show and not for telling time joining other expensive toys/lifestyle the rich are accustom to, for the heck of it that's the very purpose why these establishment exist the first place.

Sadly, you're absolutely spot on correct quite right there

Sports for me come before watches and along the way watch as a tool became a necessity, diving for instance. What I'm trying to relate are the luxury, watch manufacturer are ingraining into our very mind, the association in other word. When both these elements are combined it is a lifestyle and by that watch manufacturer can priced their products a little higher. It is far from complementing as you mentioned unless the tool itself are utilized.

Innovative diving tool watch for instance are created to serve a purpose, that is to aid the diver in time spent underwater and for the mandatory decompression before ascending safely to the surface. Now that perfectly make sense decades ago when the sub/sd & etc were used by divers be it recreational or commercial. Nowadays they are merely show pieces. Why? The cost!

Now how often do you see divers dive with their JLC Master Compressor Pro Geographic? It is a master piece, yes, mechanically superior, yes but the cost of the watch rendered it a museum piece at the end of the day The depth capability is yet another joke. Again it is a triumph in innovation but with zero practicality.

And I'm not saying that this is a bad thing but making loads of profit seemed to derail the very core of a tool watch and the mechanical innovations they proudly advertised.

Ahh, I see entirely what you mean, and I quite agree, the profit is definitely derailing the core ethic of a tool watch I would say that the DSSD falls under the same catagory, in that it is over-engineered, and can withstand pressures which would kill the wearer

TJ, I apologise for patronising you. I simply don't believe that involvement in the rep world in general goes hand in hand with hatred for luxury goods.

No offense taken at all, I understand that my opinions can appear somewhat contradictory to others

As I said before, it is not the luxury goods which I hate, but the greed of the industry. With regards to watches, for me, the pleasure is treating it as a project. A gen is perfect, so there's no need to tinker (beyond a desire to customize) where reps allow greater scale for customization. If gens were not so over-priced, then I wouldn't have any problem with them whatsoever.

To me, it looks like you are aspiring to own a Rolex..

I do own a Rolex... It was just made on my coffee table rather than a Swiss clean room As before, it's not the end product which I take issue with. Sure, I've tried on gens which didn't impress me, but that was simply a case of those particular watches not impressing me, just like I've worn reps which didn't impress me either, or jackets, or shoes, or any number of garments. At the end of the day, I try not to perceive watches as prestige items, just 'items', which I either like, or dislike accordingly.

There are plenty of other watches out there that look similar.

Similar, but not the same, and, as mentioned, much of my interest is down to the aesthetics

I think this discussion *is* complex, because you are critising other peoples actions in certain ways. I think that other's actions is causing a secondary effect that you are linking to items.

The only people's actions I'm criticizing, are those people who think that being able to buy a gen, makes them a superior human being. I'm not anti-all gen owners, because not all gen owners are like that. As before, I am very much anti-consumersism, and it is the industry itself which I dislike, not the output, and not the majority of the 'end users'

I think that other's actions is causing a secondary effect that you are linking to items.

Although I can certainly understand how it seems that way, I'd disagree, for the reason mentioned above. For example, when I tried on an EXP II, I just didn't like how it looked or felt on my wrist. It probably wasn't even on my wrist 10 seconds. It was an instant disliking to it as a watch, not because it was a gen, or it's price, but because I just 'didn't like it'. Again, when I tried on a DJ, while it felt nicer than the EXP II, I felt it was too small for me, so again, while it was a nice watch in its own right, it did nothing for me at all, if that's making any sense?

I'm having trouble trying to explain this, and explain it in a diplomatic way.. My observation (and not that it means much obviously..) is that you seem so affected by others bragging/flashiness that this behaviour is leading you to dislike the items and what they they represent to your perception of that individual. You don't want to think that you are like 'that guy who wears the Gen Sub and thinks hes something special because of it'. But this is going beyond the item itself and really linking it to other individuals rather than items.

Again, I'd pretty much say what I did immediately above, and in the previous post: I might dislike 'that kind of person', but that doesn't make me hate the product. I might hate the industry, but again, that doesn't make me hate the product either. On the other hand, if the product doesn't appeal to me, then I'm not going to think I should like it just because of an artificially inflated price tag, and I will solely view it based on what 'it is'

I don't suppose this is really worth getting deep into, I certainly dont want to insult you at all TJ. I just find your views very unique given the subject matter of our niche.

Again, I'm not insulted at all, as I know my opinions can appear contradictory to folks who don't know me well, that's why I explained about my wardrobe's origin. The LV bag, was a replacement for a messenger bag I'd had for about 8 years, so I wanted something which would last equally as well, and, from a previous purchase with KB, I had a hunch that it would (last as well) and it would have, had I not crammed in the equivalent of several phone directories and over-stressed the strap's adjusting buckle, but since knotting the strap back together, it has otherwise been flawless in durability As before, my interest in reps is not so much a case of wanting to acquire 'a prestige product' for the sake of having 'a prestige product', but a way of acquiring a nice watch (which has a particular aesthetic) for a reasonable price As I've mentioned before, I like to think of reps as 'fair trade' watches I hope that makes my opinion a little clearer

Here's my 2 cents. First of all, I've only got one rep as it is my policy. Strange yes, plus I've also the same rule as some folks here to keep a total of 10 watches at most.

Do I wear my rep? Absolutely! both in and outdoor. Watches are meant to be worn and tell time and I've never been asked if they are a fake. However I do tell them its a rep if they asked but oftentimes they wouldn't believe me and will ask how much I got it for. I'll smile at them and then move on to other topic of conversation

Buying and wearing rep is a personal choice just like diets. Its your call.

However I do dislike what the Swiss watch industry has became. 80% of all Swiss watches are powered by eta and they are priced from affordable to exorbitant. The later I find ridiculous and unworthy for what they are. It is the very notion of lifestyle that they are selling. Again, a personal choice on how you look at it.

I for one are attracted to the design of the watch not the brand, hence my preference above. However at times I'm being sold on the lifestyle bit as well. Activities like, motor sports and water sports are my weaknesses. The good thing is, there are plenty of alternatives out there

From where I come from buying a good piece meant buying an expensive brand irregardless of what movements the piece has. Omega, Panerai, IWC, B&R, Rolex are amongst their favorite. They simply must have them, 10+ watches are their desired goal. I must admit that they do have the dispensable income to afford such time pieces plus they do drive good cars like BMW, Porsche and the likes and living in posh areas. Now I'm not talking about car prices in the UK and USA but prices in Singapore. No problem there if they can afford them but what I dislike most are their attitude. If their friends has them, they must have them too. Well its their money... not mine

Rob

I know what you mean there, but, would you say that things like the sports were lifestyles which you picked up because of the watches, or, were they interests you already had, and simply gravitated towards the watches which best complemented that lifestyle? I've always loved swimming and any kind of water-based activity, so I've always wanted watches which I could wear in the water (I really don't like being without a watch on for any great length of time) so I just gravitated towards (no doubt helped along the way by James Bond) diver's watches as my primary interest, and, as I enjoy travel, by extension, the GMT complication as well I totally get what you mean about the attitude though. I know one person in particular who is so far up her own ass, it's unbelievable. To hear her describe herself, you'd think she was some kind of gorgeous super-model, when truth be told, she's more than a little on the chunky side, is nearly the same color as a carrot, thanks to fake-tan and sunbeds, and just wears the most tacky, gaudy clothes and bling outside of a 70s Pimp. She seems to think that because she's 'got money', she's above everyone else, and that she's the Top Notch, when truth is, she's the embodiment of all the worst traits of a nouveau riche wannabe footballer's wife/girlfriend (and the one of those I know, is so down to earth, it's laughable by comparison) and those're the worst kind of attitudes to encounter, as they just think that the trappings of wealth somehow make them a better person...