TeeJay

I was meaning it is aligned with the indices differently from the gen, it should be a little smaller and shifted outwards, as you can see in this gen pic:

Oh I see now.

Thanks for the explaination!

Likewise, I see what you mean now, and thanks for the clarification

A less than promising update, is that the watch does not eam to be running for more than an hour without stopping, despite being fully wound... I think I'll be sending this one back to the dealer... Oh well, easy come, easy go... :smile:

That women look great in them, I can't deny. But neither I nor my mother are in the least bit interested in buying this one (says me now...watch me change my mind in a sec!).

Maybe for the reason you mentioned, TeeJay. Everyone wants one, and is wearing one. We just bought a Tankissime from Andrew which was awesome. Much rather that one, for summer or winter, than this one for now.

I know what you mean there. I feel the same way about Panerai and Hublot Big Bangs. The Panerai, I can just about appreciate, but, it's not really my cup of tea. The HBB, I really don't see what people see in them at all, other than brandname and price tag...

Glad I'm not the only watch addict that gets distracted by the watch of the male actor in Adult movies

To be honest, I only noticed it on the cover as it was a Pam, and such an obvious rep

More or less like the CG discussion on Subs the same goes for the shape of the PAM CG's and the thickness of the crown itself.... To be honest, I couldn't care less .

However, what does bother me on all 111H's is the white font which is off-white on the gen and the "L SWISS MADE L" being too close to the '6'. 2 easy noticable giveaways for the real Paneristi.

Gotcha. With regards to the color of the font, that reminds me of the debate amongst Star Wars costuming enthusiasts about the color of Anakin Skywalker's clothing in Revenge of the Sith. To the casual glance, it appears black, but, when viewed in close scrutiny (and viewed from static reference material) it is actually very very dark brown. So dark brown that it looks black, but still brown... This strikes me as a similar scenario, and someone trying to compare colors mentally, when in all honesty, color swatches would be needed to totally identify the color

Here's a picture of my fiance's first J12 on a white faux-leather cuff-strap...

Same deeeler as before??????????? not to bad really for the price, i might look at one for playing with. Dosent look like a sandwich dial in the piks though.

Indeed, same dealer as before

I'm a bit disapointed with how the photos haven't really shown the sandwich effect, but please believe me that it is indeed a sandwich dial.

The back decoration looks like the G model. The H-model has different shape of bridges and contains only 1 time "officine panerai" instead of dozens. But who's gonna have a look at the back when it's on your wrist?

Ahh, I think I know the movement bridges you mean... Indeed, who's going to see it on my wrist

The subdial at 9 should be alligned 1 mm more to the left.

The historic PAMs like the 111 don't have the 'reg t.m.' on the CG.

Ahh, that's fair enough. Funnily enough, I saw an actor on an adult DVD cover wearing a Pam, and the subdial was so close to the center of the dial, it was laughable

So if the 111 don't have the 'reg t.m' detail on the cg, what's the cg flaw that was pointed out? I really don't know a whole lot about Pams

But are you sure it's a sandwich dial (H-model) and not a saucage (G-model and back)? Hard to see on the pics...

As above, I assure you it is indeed a sandwich dial rather than sausage model. I'll have to try and get some better pics to show the layering effect

I bet if you have the dial relumed and have the newstrap you'll probably wear it with more pleasure and more often than you expect

Wear it well!

I think you may be right. The inconsistency between the color of the dial and hands is something that's putting me off it a bit, but I'm sure a relume would solve that. I'm also keep to see if the new strap, which is of a similar color, might help... In terms of wear, this might be the 'showing off without flashing a known brand' watch I've decided to wear it so I can cauge the watch's power reserve...

Thanks for all the comments, folks

J12 are a good choice always, and even the cheap ones (you beat a record, I paid 80 dollars for mine, but it was quartz chrono) look nice on a woman's wrist. I think you can't go wrong with it.

I think you're right there, I'd say the white J12 is the women's equivelent of a gent's black Submariner or TT DateJust, everyone either has one, wants one, and certainly can't go wrong with one :biggrin:

I'm trying to remember how much I paid for my fiance's first J12, which was also a quartz movement (keeps absolutely fantastic time) One thing we have discovered thus far with this new model, is that it only has a power reserve of about 9 hours... I'm not sure how well it keeps time when worn, as she's not taken the HBB Aspen off since she saw it

although dial and movement vs cg and caseback are wrong this is a stunning piece and a steal at this price Nice deal

cheers,

Kuba

Indeed, it was a good deal, and a watch I wanted for my overall collection, although my favorite watches are still Omega...

Out of curiosity, what should the CG and caseback be like for this dial and movement? (should the CG have a TM logo on it?)

It is a blend of 111G and 111H. And, in spite of that and of a slightly misaligned subdial, yes, it is a bargain at that price.

...But what 'officne' mispelling?

I'll settle with 111 The subdial appears to be aligned with the indices above and below it, how is it misaligned?

The mis-spelling is on the movement decoration. The bronze letters which are below the 9 position running vertically. Not really easy to see in the picture because of the glare from the flash... but rather than 'Officine Panerai', it actualy reads 'Officne Paneri' Then again, for a watch that will hardly see wrist time, and certainly never be scrutinized by anyone who actually knows anything about Pams, I can certainly live with the flaws

Larger size than previous watch, so hopefully will be easier for reading. I won't be wearing it, so it's not really my concern... As usual for the 'lower end' J12's, the bracelet is coated garbage (but I knew this before ordering) and, as with my fiance's current J12, I'm sure it will soon be swapped onto the leather cuff strap.

Updated information: I have discovered (actually, my fiance discovered) that there is a mid-sized version of the J12, so that accounts for the size difference.

The watch was

Not sure of the model number, but it has sandwhich dial, and runs secs @ 9. This is the watch I am least likely to wear, but, was a replacement for the VC Overseas my dealer had ordered, but was given a wrong model by his suppliers, so he offered the option of the incorrect model, a refund, or another choice, so it's better than nothing... The hands are nice and green, but the numeral sandwich layer is a tan color which I will probably have re-lumed at some point. However. I have a strap on order from V, which, being of similar color to the numerals, might actually blend the colors better... Time will tell. In terms of the movement, the stickers are noticeable, and actually has the mis-spelling 'Officne'. Then again, the watch will hardly be scrutinized (if it even gets worn at all) so that is a flaw I can overlook. When the watch arrived, the crown guard was on upside down, but, that was how it was advertized by my dealer, so not a problem there, and, also not a problem to correct with a screwdriver. The stock rubber strap (which I think looked disgusting on the watch) has been replaced with a black leather strap and the buckle swapped over. This is the first time I've seen one of the 'flared' Panerai buckles 'in the metal', and to be honest, it is ludicrously over-sized... I can understand why people accuse Pam owners of 'overcompensation' for other shortcomings... A stupid plus point, however, is the recessed cannon pinion problem I have read about, is not present on this watch. In all honesty, it is a nice watch, Pams just aren't my particular taste. This will be an occasional wear watch, but I think, (at least untill the new strap arrives or it is re-lumed), it will always be at the bottom of the selection pile...

The watch should have cost

Happy birthday, Andy

Purchassed solely to complete the 'Casino Royale' set, and not intended for frequent wear, as aesthetically, I prefer the 2531.80, but this is still a nice enough watch. Bracelet uses pins rather than screws, and clasp engraving is crisp. Bezel insert was only misaligned by .5mm, so could have been left, but, it would have irritated me, so it was just as easy to take the few minutes to crack the case, remove the movement and crystal, prize off the insert from the back, re-set it, and replace the parts. Bezel insert is a nice color, but I will have to compare to my 2531.80 before deciding which bezel has the 'nicest' color. In terms of accuracy to the gen watch, I knew that the dial would be missing the 3 marker, as that was how the dealer advertized it, and, as mentioned on another forum, with the SMPs, the datewindow does compensate for the missing marker, so although it is technically a flaw, visually, the dial does not appear unbalanced. Other flaws are the Omega logo and word Omega, on the gen, are now metal attatchments, with the letters joined through the middle (which I feel makes the watch 'look fake') This watch has the logo and brand printed on the dial, like on the 2531.80, which, although another 'flaw', is aesthetically, something I prefer to the metal attachments of the gen.

Updated Information: Having worn the watch for 24 hours, I can now confirm that the watch is running at +4 secs out of the box. Who needs ETA movements to achieve COSC Standard

The watch was

I haven't been able to take any still shots or wrist shots of the new arrivals yet, but, I'm currently giving the Planet Ocean Big Size a rest, and wearing the Omega 2220.50 SMP instead. I'd still rather be wearing my 2531.80 SMP, but this one will do for now

The watches arrived today, and I am more than happy with them. All have their flaws, but all also have their positives as well... I received

Chanel J12

Larger size than previous watch, so hopefully will be easier for reading. I won't be wearing it, so it's not really my concern... As usual for the 'lower end' J12's, the bracelet is coated garbage (but I knew this before ordering) and, as with my fiance's current J12, I'm sure it will soon be swapped onto the leather cuff strap.

Hublot Big Bang Aspen

Probably only about 80% accurate to the gen watch, but it is not going to be given any real scrutiny by people who know anything about watches (other than they tell the time), so that's not a problem. Doesn't have the date window, which I felt was a 'design after-thought', so a cleaner looking dial than the gen watch. '3' Subdial appears to be a date counter, '6' Subdial runs a 24 sweep, but the '9' Subdial appears do do nothing, and tracks 7 points (presumeably days) but anti-clockwise. A 24 examination will reveal if the dials are totally 'functional', or require manual adjustment... Aesthetically, a nice watch, but I still don't understand why people go nuts over the Big Bang.

Omega SMP 2220.50

Purchassed solely to complete the 'Casino Royale' set, and not intended for frequent wear, as aesthetically, I prefer the 2531.80, but this is still a nice enough watch. Bracelet uses pins rather than screws, and clasp engraving is crisp. Bezel insert was only misaligned by .5mm, so could have been left, but, it would have irritated me, so it was just as easy to take the few minutes to crack the case, remove the movement and crystal, prize off the insert from the back, re-set it, and replace the parts. Bezel insert is a nice color, but I will have to compare to my 2531.80 before deciding which bezel has the 'nicest' color. In terms of accuracy to the gen watch, I knew that the dial would be missing the 3 marker, as that was how the dealer advertized it, and, as mentioned on another forum, with the SMPs, the datewindow does compensate for the missing marker, so although it is technically a flaw, visually, the dial does not appear unbalanced. Other flaws are the Omega logo and word Omega, on the gen, are now metal attatchments, with the letters joined through the middle (which I feel makes the watch 'look fake') This watch has the logo and brand printed on the dial, like on the 2531.80, which, although another 'flaw', is aesthetically, something I prefer to the metal attachments of the gen.

Panerai Luminor Marina

Not sure of the model number, but it has sandwhich dial, and runs secs @ 9. This is the watch I am least likely to wear, but, was a replacement for the VC Overseas my dealer had ordered, but was given a wrong model by his suppliers, so he offered the option of the incorrect model, a refund, or another choice, so it's better than nothing... The hands are nice and green, but the numeral sandwich layer is a tan color which I will probably have re-lumed at some point. However. I have a strap on order from V, which, being of similar color to the numerals, might actually blend the colors better... Time will tell. In terms of the movement, the stickers are noticeable, and actually has the mis-spelling 'Officne'. Then again, the watch will hardly be scrutinized (if it even gets worn at all) so that is a flaw I can overlook. When the watch arrived, the crown guard was on upside down, but, that was how it was advertized by my dealer, so not a problem there, and, also not a problem to correct with a screwdriver. The stock rubber strap (which I think looked disgusting on the watch) has been replaced with a black leather strap and the buckle swapped over. This is the first time I've seen one of the 'flared' Panerai buckles 'in the metal', and to be honest, it is ludicrously over-sized... I can understand why people accuse Pam owners of 'overcompensation' for other shortcomings... A stupid plus point, however, is the recessed cannon pinion problem I have read about, is not present on this watch. In all honesty, it is a nice watch, Pams just aren't my particular taste. This will be an occasional wear watch, but I think, (at least untill the new strap arrives or it is re-lumed), it will always be at the bottom of the selection pile...

All the watches are worth what I paid for them, and they arrived in precicely 7 days as promised :smile: As always, I am happy to give the dealer's name privately I'll post some pictures when possible

On friday, I will be ordering the VC Overseas from another dealer, as they have it available. I've used them before, and, although their watches weren't excellent quality, they were exactly as advertized, and I trust their business practices. Who knows, in the 7 months since we last did business, they might have 'upped their status', and secured a more accurate supplier. Here's finger's crossed for that.

Personally, I think the watch looks disgusting. But. I can see it appealing to fans of the Hublot Big Bang

Awesome work there, Flav There's definitely something to be said for making something yourself

Congrats on receiving what you were after, I'm sure it'll become as permanant a fixture on your wrist as my Planet Ocean Big Size has become on mine

Personally, I prefer the appearance of the black bezel...

lol wat a coincidence my bday is in september too maybe u need to buy me a present too heheheh.. a aquatimer chrono (clevin?) would be ok ... jokeee....

I'll see how much spare cash I have at the time :biggrin:

Maybe I'm looking in the wrong place, but I couldn't seem to see any prices for the phones. Replica or not, I think my father in law would probably like one of those, as he works in the telecommunications industry, and has about half a dozen cell phones for various business and personall uses. Could anyone point me in the right direction?

I guess people will all have their own criteria by which they judge something's value.

Personally, I am a penny-pinching JewBoy... I won't pay more for anything than absolutely necessary, and will not pay huge price tags simply because something has a 'Brand Name'. In terms of watches, I'm not desperate to pass the watch off as genuine, so I don't care if the watch is only 80-95% accurate. As long as there are no glaring errors like spelling mistakes or movement faults, I'm happy enough. In terms of what I'm prepared to pay, my personal limit is about

I'm sorry for your own troubles, TeeJay.

And yep...and it was you who warned me about that very seller too, in terms of getting satisfaction (heh, that sounded dodgy). Still, maybe it'll work out in the end and I don't want to prejudice anyone's reputation without giving every chance to rectify a situation.

In happier news, I've just placed an order from what seems to me, a brilliant dealer we all know and sometimes love on RWG. Even if an overused simile, I can say the whole procedure went swimmingly. I did the backstrok all the way.

God, I can finally go to bed...whew, this rep business is putting a crimp on my beauty sleep!

It'll all get worked out somehow, but I have a feeling it'll wind up costing me as much in repair fees as I paid for the watch itself... From now on, I stick with the dealers I know I can trust

Sounds good, I hope this deal goes better for you

TeeJay, I'll still err on the side of discretion, as yet. If he fails to respond tonight as I just resent my payment info and replacement details, then I'll pipe up.

I will say that more CIA-personalitied members might recall I named the dealer, in the 50% bad rep thread (it's obviously the one with a non-watch item mentioned). I had been told frequently by members here that most of the high-volume sellers are all prone to mistakes, but that only Andrew/Josh stand 100% behind their watches when problems arise.

(The difference is that there was one problem then. Now it's three...)

Info assimilated... As I thought... Indeed, another morning has passed without an email confirming the state of play. To be honest, I'm on the verge of just taking the watch into a local repair shop, who I am more than happy to give the business to. The only thing preventing me from doing it, is I dont see why I should spend a penny to have an item repaired which arrived faulty, and was clearly never QCd in the beginning

Looking good

Thank you very much TeeJay... just one Q, do I have to buy aditional spring bars to fit perfectly the U PO version if I buy the straps on S ilix?? thanks again.

No problem at all, glad to be of help I cannot really say from personal experience, but, people have said that 1.8mm spring bars give more satisfactory results.

do you need special tools to replace the strap? Is it something I can do, or do I need "watch" tools to do?

Nothing more complicated than a 1.5mm screwdriver. You could probably pick up a reasonably good set at a dollar store which would be up to the job. There are proper Springbar removal tools available, but a small screwdriver will do the job just as well. It's literally just a case of flicking back the spring bar, applying a little gentle pressure between the lugs with your thumb to keep that end of the bar springing back into place, and then flicking back the other end of the bar. When fitting the rubber strap, simply reverse the process :smile: