TeeJay

This is a very frequent problem with the Planet Oceans. The only way to fix it, is to replace the crown and tube. You could always ask your dealer for an exchange, or a repair, but the exchange watch is as likely to have the same flaw (a LOT of people have had PO crown failures) Best of luck

I'd be interested to see the actual watch rather than a photoshop rendering of it... I can see why people dislike it, but, I rather like it. I probably wouldn't wear one myself, as it's not the style that I like to wear, but, I think it's a nice looking watch. Do you have any other info on it like the make or cost?

If that's the case, and they are 100% rip off sites, then by all means, name and shame. I think though, that a distinction does need to be made between sites like Bluefakes that are 100% fakers, to sites like Eurofakes/Rarereplicas that are simply expensive (but do provide a Top Notch product) If that exact product is indeed available cheaper elsewhere, then all well and good, people need to be made aware of that as well, as it's pointless to pay more for a product than necessary. This is why I'm keen for people to post pictures of watches which have been purchased from the 'expensive sites' like mine. Is it worth $800? I don't really think that any watch is worth more than $200 tops, so in that regard, I would say no, it's not worth that price. But. It is a very close rep that has passed as genuine with an experienced watchsmith (until he opened the back) To me, the fact it is not immediately identifiable means it's worth a fair price. Would I be satisfied with a $20, $200 Submariner? Depends how accurate they were and how they compared to mine. I'd certainly have been happy to pay less for mine, but, at the same time, I'm satisfied that the price I paid went for a quality product, and it has certainly never given me the kind of problems that people frequently report on their SMPs or POs which are supposed to be the 'ultimate versions' of those watches. Sure, a piece of lume came loose. Could happen to anyone. Since then, it's been fine. The bezel was only replaced because it got scratched, not because it needed a more accurate bezel fitted... It's all swings and roundabouts, but, I'd still be very keen to see other watches people have purchased from 'expensive sites'.

If they are not jumping on a bandwagon, they will have no problems posting pictures of their poor quality watches so people will see what X price buys, if they feel it was worth it, and if they want to risk using the dealer themself. There is nothing presumptious at all about asking people to prove the point they are making. I am not trying to catch anyone out here, but trying to use this as an oportunity for those who have purchassed from 'scam dealers' to actually display their watches, all in one place, so they can be compared. So where are the poor quality watches that Unless you have actually purchased from them, then what would your investigations prove other than questionable business practices? As I said, I have no tollerance for liars. If a dealer is proven to have misrepresented a product, I'll have nothing to do with them. Please can you post pictures of the watches you have purchased from such dealers? That way, we can all compare them to the cheaper alternatives available and draw our own conclusions from the experience.

So their business practices suck. Fine. I never disputed that. I said I wanted to see the PRODUCT THEY SELL. Is that too much to ask for? I am not defending any company that lies about their product. I am asking for proof that the PRODUCT THEY SELL is as poor as people are claiming that it is, without any photographic evidence to back up those complaints. If I had the money to spare I'd be happy to do that. Problem is though, I don't have the money to spare. Chances are I would never use the dealer I bought my Submariner from again, purely because I do not feel the need to spend that much money on a watch again, and I don't really want another Rolex (and that is all they sell). Doesn't mean they are scammers, or their product is poor, it just means they don't have what I want. Okay Please can I see a photo of the watch you bought from them? Okay, so the crown guards are slightly wider at the base of the crown. Other than the flaw with the crystal I previously accounted for, I honestly cannot see any difference between that watch and the one on my wrist (other than a better quality NATO strap [mine is generic] and a better photographic setup) Where was that watch purchassed from, and for how much?

With the greatest of respect, how is this any different to Corgi's comment? You didn't buy the watch, so how can you judge their product quality? With regard to spam, I too get spam. I got spam before I bought my Submariner, and I get spam since buying it. Are you sure that you are only getting spam because of that website? If so, then indeed, bad mark against them, but, in all honesty, that could merely be a coincidence...

I agree entirely. With anything, I think the product quality should always match the price paid. I'm very excited about my SMP that I have on order for three reasons. 1. It's a watch I've been after for a while. 2. It's a dealer I've never used before. 3. The price was very low, so I'm keen to see it the quality reflects the price, or if I might have got a good bargain... Only time will tell The thing that gets me is the people who say "Don't buy from SuperSwissWatches, they're scam artists!" but don't actually provide proof of this scamming for others to be aware of. It comes off as bandwagon jumping rather than informing from experience. Just because the deals from The Cartel are cheaper, that does not necessarily mean the more expensive deals are scams if that other product is of good quality. As I said, if a dealer lies about their product, then they are a scammer. Doesn't matter if they're charging $8 or $800. If what is delivered is not as described, then that is wrong, whoever the dealer is. Please folks, let's see some more watches from these expensive dealers. Let's hear the stories both good and bad, and see the product that goes with it. People can't make informed decisions without all the information.

Pics and site name please, naming and shaming is the way forwards here You compared a $100 n00bmariner to mine, so that is the comparison that must be made. I find it interesting that no-one has seen fit to post pictures of any watches ever purchased from these sites. I'm starting to suspect that 90% of the "Don't buy from UltraSwissWatch!" comments are from people who have not actually purchassed from them and are simply jumping on the bandwagon to trash those sites. As I said before, I have Zero tollerance for liars. If I find out a dealer misrepresents their product, then I would not do business from them. However, I would only advise people to avoid dealers I have had negative experiences from. I am by no means defending scam dealers, but I do want people who have been ripped off by these dealers to actually prove it by posting their watches, that way, people can judge for themselves what was or was not a scam. Corgi's comment for example, was wholly irrelevent. They didn't buy anything from whatever dealer, so who cares that they nearly got scammed? Nearly never happened. What we need here, is concrete comparitive evidence. I've thrown my watch and the site it came from into the mix, maybe rather than verbally making comparisons, people ought to throw down their own watches and experiences so we can make well informed decisions based on the visual facts, rather than the speculative discussion... How much of comments like these are truly a case of the dealers being crooks, or people simply being unwilling to pay the price? Just because it might have been possible to find an unmodded Sub for $100 that looks as good (and I am still waiting for proof of this) that does not mean the dealers were scam artists. I got what I paid for, so I have no problem with the price tag. I do not regret paying what I paid for my Submariner, although, it would have been nice if I could have bought it for cheaper. If I actually could have bought it cheaper, is what this thread/forum are all about determining through comparitive studies.

As I said, the only mods that have been done to my Sub are replacing the bezel (because the original got scratched) and putting it on the NATO strap. With regards to the cyclops and date, what are the problems? I know that the entire cryatal is offset 2 degrees clockwise, because it was removed and replaced when a piece of lume came off the mount and had to be re-cemented in place. Prior to that, the crystal was perfectly alligned. The Crown and Crown guards are 100% out of the box untouched. Please compare the top pic to the bottom photos. The difference, is in the top photo, the crown is one rotation short of being totally screwed down, but was totally screwed down in the second photos. Serial and model numbers: Top: Orig Rolex Design 16610-T Bottom: Stainless Steel Y912147 I don't know if these are a random serial number, but I know Rolex released a Y Series Sub. Also, yes, the makings are very finely etched (barely visible in the wrist shot) That's your opinion, and you're certainly entitled to it. Please post photos of a totally UNTOUCHED $100 N00bmariner for comparison. I'm not calling you a liar, but, if you're going to make a comment like that, you have to back it up with photos that can be compared. Did I say that? No. Don't put words in my mouth. Again, I did not say that. Please could you post photos for comparison? I'd be most interested to compare them. I quite agree. However. What they charge, and what the product is worth, is the very reason I would not buy a gen Rolex. Totally unethical. But. The Cartel do not have a flawless record when it comes to manipulating or outright lying to people about what is available or what they are buying, yet they are still tollerated and people still say they are good to do business with. Same situation. What would I have to be bitter about? I got a watch that features every marking on a gen Rolex (some I'm only now discovering, such as the ring on the Extension deployment link, or the etchings between the lugs, or even the font on the dial) I'm not going to lie and say I'm happy about the fact I could have brought a passable Sub for $200, but, I still do not feel that my watch was excessively priced. I think you'll find I never once condoned the business practices of scam sites. If you look at my first comment, I asked if anyone who puts these sites down, has actually purchased from them, and how they rated the quality of the product. Nothing whatsoever to do with the business ethics of those selling the watches. Gen Rolexes are

By Who? If you mean Eurofakes/Rarereplicas, I don't think I got scammed by them (or a mistake) at all. I admit, I now realize that I could've got a pretty decent Submariner for much less than I paid for mine, but, if I did pay around the $200 mark, then I'd expect way more flaws. I paid a fair amount of money, and got a damn nice watch within4-5 days. Was it expensive? Yes. Was it a scam? In my opinion, no.

Has anyone ever actually purchassed a watch from sites like these? If so, what was the quality like? I bought my Submariner from Eurofakes/RareReplicas last year for about $800. Now, I'd be the first to admit that pricewise, there are much cheaper watches available. But. The quality of the watch I got was excellent. When it comes to 'passing', it has every feature of a gen, from the number of clicks in the bezel rotation, to the ring on the inside link for tripping the diver's extension , to the engraving between the lugs. As far as I have been able to tell, every detail has been correct. Now, if these sites are shipping out utter garbage, then fair play, call them out and shame them. But. If it's just a case of the price is high, suck it in. No one wants to pay top dollar for garbage, but, there's a difference between paying for garbage and getting something that is virtually indistinguishable to the gen fresh out of the box with no mods at all... Are their prices high because they are con artists, or are their prices high because their product is good? Quite a difference... This was what my $800 got me (only mods ever performed, was swapping the bracelet for the NATO strap, and replacing the bezel insert as the original got damaged through wear)

I like the look of it too, it's certainly something I'd actually wear, but, I'm not a fan of fantasy watches in terms of things I'd wear in public, as that is the biggest 'tell' of all. A project watch is one thing, as that's something personally put together from existing parts, but, to wear a watch that has never been in production, sorry, but someone'd need Bill Gates' bank balance to pull off a fantasy watch as something they had the company made for them, which is pretty much the only passable explanation for a fantasy watch

The only source I know of, is Ofrei.com. That's where I got that image from. But. They are gen items, so gen prices. I really like the 2254.50 on rubber that Flav has in his sig, and oneday, I plan on owning the same combination. But. I'll likely buy a $50 rep of the watch, it amuses me that the strap/clasp will cost four times the amount of the watch

Psst. Looks like he started this thread a year and a month ago...

1. Yes, 20mm lugs. 2. I think it will look [censored] awesome! The blue will totally complement the dial/bezel color. If it clashes (unlikely but possible) replace it for the same strap, but in dark brown. Sounds a weird combination, but trust me, it will work 3. Deployment clasp or buckle... Entirely your choice there, all comes down to personal preferences... Are you someone who likes to just 'slap a watch on quick', or do you like to take time to make sure it's properly buckled on the right notch? Personally, for ease of operation, I prefer deployment clasps over buckles. Some watches, like the PO, I tollerate for having buckles, but, this Omega deployment clasp would look really sharp on that watch:

A kind of mirror image to the Wrist Check, what are the reasons folks actually change their watches? I like to have a set watch to match to brown shoes, or say for special occasions, or even just a 'going out beater' (something that will look nice, but won't matter if it gets scuffed up) and of course, the everyday watch. As I work from home, most of the above catagories seldom apply to me, so I only really tend to wear a watch for a length of time. My preference is for Divers-style watches like the Submariner, SMP and Planet Ocean. When I was younger, I used to like complicated multi-dials, be it chrono, ana-digi displays etc etc, but now, I just like something that is simple and elegant, something I can glance at and immediately tell what the time is. My idea for a Railmaster project watch would be as an 'office watch' for if I ever had to go to work in a corporate environment as it would not 'raise eyebrows', like my idea for my 2531.80 project watch will be as a 'going out beater' as it would at least also be a conversation point "Where did you get the watch from?" " I put it together myself..." Those're my reasons for why I swap my watches, but what about others? A different one every day? One to match the shoes? One for work and one for home? Could be a very interesting discussion

Okay, my Planet Ocean died on me. I really must not try to regulate my own watches... Anyway... This will be pulling duty till my Omega SMP arrives, although it will be going back on it's SS Bracelet for my gran's funeral tuesday (can't get it under a shirt cuff while on the NATO strap)

Disregard cancellation of project message... I confused the 49mm Railmaster XXL with the regular Railmaster which is 40mm... Not an immediate project, or even a particularly necessary one, but definitely one for my list of future projects

You're quite right, I did mean the hour hand. Having found out that the Railmaster is 49mm, I decided I won't be going ahead with this project. I can just about pull off the 45mm Planet Ocean, but I think anything larger would look ridiculous... I didn't find that out until I'd already done this rough photoshop knockup of how it should look... (Dealer Image used purely for concept/display purposes. This watch DOES NOT exist.)

Thanks Scoobs. She'd been ill for quite a while (and was 94) so it wasn't unexpected... Unless the watch arrives either tomorrow or first thing monday morning (before we have to start travelling) I don't think it'll arrive in time. To be honest, I'm not expecting it for at least another 10 days... Pics and review once it arrives though

No fresh pic, I'm afraid, but this is still what I'm wearing and plan to wear for quite a while (although I will probably wear my Submariner to my Gran's funeral on tuesday. I'd hoped the SMP I'd ordered with my 'inheritance' from her would have arrived in time, but I don't think that's gong to happen)

:eek: I'd report them to the police as extorting money with menace...

I have to admit, I like the idea of a PO dial and hands in a Railmaster case. Awesome dial, awesome case, should go together very nicely I won't be doing that for two reasons though. 1. The date window would be an issue. Date windows irritate me as they need setting, and I'd be happy without one there. 2. I'd want my watches to look different. I think a PO dial in a Railmaster case might look too close to a PO for me to consider it 'a different watch'. I think I'd as soon just change the hands on the Railmaster (I don't like how the minute hand is missing the 'arrow-head'. Makes the hands look mis-matched)