normanduke

Is this the same watch as Trevor's ? http://www.watcheden.com/rolex-sea-dweller-deepsea-with-asia-eta-2836-movement-1-1-ultimate-version-i-28030-p-1.html

IMHO they don't " tool up " for anything. Do you think they painstakingly cast an intricate guilloche dial and machine a case to perfection etc. to sell a watch for a measly $129 ( which is what the original Asian Fish, same cosmetically as the Swiss except for AR [ yes the crystal is sapphire ] went for ) for an extremely limited clientel... us ? Grow up. These Super Reps are imperfect parts smuggled out at midnight and assembled in homes. Nothing else makes sense. The spare Fish parts have all been used up. Either you got one or you didn't and everyone had plenty of time, years, to get one. Or else they perversely broke down the presses etc. for probably the best and most popular rep ever because...?

Get the Ingy. I must have 15 reps so far ( in a year ) and this is my favorite by far. True, it is on the heavy side but you can lighten it slightly if you pitch the anti-mag cover inside the watch. I got mine from Ruby for $280 with Paypal and EMS. It took forever to get here, a month, but she QC's each watch and it got stuck at JFK for 5 days. One negative : It's something of a scratch magnet but it's really a beautiful watch and it will provide a lot of pleasure looking at the fascinating dial. Oh, yeah, take the bracelet links apart and go over the brushed edges with fine sandpaper and car polish. Then it'll be super.

I give the guy his propers for walking right into the Lion's Den. Maybe he just got " religion." His conscience is bothering him. Maybe he sees a parallel in some way with " Jandrewgate. " Maybe he's wacky about reps like we are. He shouldn't have been banned. This banning is NOT classy. Information, especially bona fide information from the horse's mouth is valuable. I posted elsewhere here tonight that I saw a lousy faded fake gold rep on my MD's wrist and then a fabulous TT Summer Blue Rolex yesterday. Beautiful, impressive watch, heavy with gold, totally genuine looking. The MD is into reps. I am sure I read here or elsewhere, months ago, that the Summer Blue Rollie is a fantasy watch or possibly released in a limited edition in Japan. True or not true, WIS's ? If it is a fantasy watch, then there ARE much better Rolex reps out there. I want to know what this guy has to say. He's willing to send / show off one of his watches. Why not take him up on it ? My 2 centavos.

Agreed. Asking if a watch is gen seems like the worst manners, especially if the thing is a blatant fake. Who am I to spoil somebody's fun ? I wear some great reps to work and I've only been complimented twice. One was my Beginmariner and I told the guy it was a fake. The other was my white SOSF. I said, " Thanks. It's a Breitling." I felt kind of bad about doing that. I recently had a couple appointments with an MD. The first time he had the cheeziest of faded gold plated Navitimers on. I said " Nice Breitling !" Last time I saw him he had on a breathtakingly beautiful TT Rolex with the blue dial. Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think this is a fantasy watch or else it was made for a limited Japanese market. Either it was gen or it was one of the top of the line triple plated jobs that TTK was selling at one time. At any rate, it was an intimidating watch.

Ditto By-Tor. Someone looking for a rep is looking for a Rolex. I've been reading these forums for a year and I myself have only recently discovered IWC. My own take on this is : Josh and Andrew saying that they buy the originals and make a deal with the " maker " to reproduce it is pure BS. I have long been gone from the machine-tool industry and it has been long gone from the US, but there are a lot more stages in making a watch than blythely setting up a CNC machine. Some articles involving bas-relief must be cast. Some are drop-forged, such as watch heads. Plastic parts are injection molded. All of these parts are engineered first then drawn in blueprint. A computer will NOT make a perfect copy of a part. It will produce a low end rep. It is my very strong FEELING, I can not prove this, that our high end reps are STOLEN ORIGINALS in one way or another due to outsourcing to China where because of lack of proper supervision they go astray, that is, out the back door. It would be lunacy to set up a factory to reproduce, say an Ingenieur for a paltrey $300. Think about it. How many people are combing the net for a phony Ingenieur ? Why are the simple Rolex so frustratingly inaccurate ? Because they are still made in Switzerland.

Looks French to me. Phonetically, that would be : " ahn-zhih- neeur " ( roll that last 'R.' )

I don't think we should discount ourselves so easily. After all, just who are buying all of these reps ? The Chinese themselves ? Maybe so, but they would not be paying the high prices that we do. I certainly see no reps in the New England states, so they're not being sold here. And BTW, I would not put past them any "examples ' of banning. That would put the fear of G*d into the chickenshits who are terrified they won't be able to get their toys. I don't blame them. I feel the same way. This is what the forums are for....knowlege. We should face the facts, painful tho' they may be. Talking amongst ourselves here is a real asset. Not to be discounted. l

I like it. It's cool and calm and easy to look at. I spend hours here. I'm also glad to see the whiny little brat baby logo gone. Sure, I support what you do and would like to make a monetary contribution to the forum, but there are a small handful of these forums and I can't contribute to them all. Some guys here have money to burn.... Trips to exotic vacation spots, famous names to meet, and several of the very best and rarest of watches. More power to them. But some of us live week to week, hoping we'll have jobs the next. I do NOT appreciate being harangued by them to contribute. That being said, some of us can contribute by writing in a respectful and interesting way and encouraging the articles of our fellow collectors.

I got the Asian from Ruby. They're using the same pix for the Eta and the Asian. I can't say, but my own watch is gorgeous with a high quality of finish. There is zero AR on the Asian, but the crystal itself is slightly domed and clean and sharp to look at. I can't say if it's saphire. Maybe yes, maybe no. I don't care. The watch is not that big. It's heavy and tall but the crystal is about the size of a Sub. Point is ( esp. with the white dial which, really, shows off the dial ) Ar is not necessary for such a small crystal. This is not the Navitimer which looks ridiculous w/o AR. Save your money. Get the Asian.

By-Tor just shows us that watch to make us drool. It's cruel.

Just got mine from her, white dial, perfect. You will flip out ! I really feel sorry for the guys that got the darker dials. lol

Breitling Chronometre Automatic....I have not ween this rep before. Stunning ! Very exciting to have a contributor from Moscow. Your English is excellent.

I thought he represented Breitling in some way. He seemed disheartened about how good the rep was. Actually, he did a good job selling the rep as there wasn't much bad he could say about it. Round headed screws in the bracelet ! Bad, bad ! Was he B-S-ing about the Asian movement ? 'cause the watch seemed to have AR. Agree, By-Tor would have given a far better review. And any publicity about reps is bad publicity, but I think the stronger danger is the decreasing value of the dollar vs. the Yuan. In other words, buy now. Thanks, BWL for your detective work.

lcdr 2007, I'm in the same boat as you are. Love the watches but have few spare coins to buy them. $ 300 a pop is just too rich for me. And the guys who pay this are inflating the prices. More power to them. That said, I think the dollar vs. Huan thing is sure to escalate against us big time, soon. My advice is to buy watches now before they are unaffordable, tho' I doubt we'll see any profit from them lest you're a good salesman. Can't put a price on sheer amusement tho',... just passing the time. My bargains ? Jos's Beginmariner at $108 shipped. And just today ordered, Ruby's SFSO $ 165 with alternate leather strap shipped. ND

The reps are SO gorgeous that we're really confronting a " portal " in reality. i.e., what are you doing wearing a $ 5000 watch ? It's beyond our conrol. It's not a matter of are you faking it or not. ? The reps are that good. Me ? a newbie ? I'm gonna tell everybody who asks, it's a fake. Most people don't ask, tho'. And tremble at the site of your ( obviously real )Submariner.

Television is absolute poison. They control your emotions as well as a thrilling carnival ride does. Always selling, selling. Really, studies show that your brainwaves are lower when watching TV than when sitting alone, quietly in a dark room. No wonder why we like it so much ! I avoid it like the plague. Oh, and cell phones ? A scientist placed an egg between two cell phones and made them call each other. The egg was hard boiled in 12 minutes by the microwaves. Just a thought to cheer you guys up ! lol

You convinced me to order one from Ruby and I did this afternoon, white, same as yours, with the same gold honey-color leather band. If it had the AR, I'd go for the blue to emphasize it's blueness, but the white dial is IMHO the nicest with all it's black print. This was $165...she's gone up ( at least for me ). I don't blame her. Well, now the fun part starts ! The waiting. I suppose I'll get a confirmation email in a couple of days. I don't want to bug her. For sure, I appreciate her making these gorgeous watches available for us at a price I ( personally ) can afford.

Thanks, Ozzy. Yes, really a shame. Such bargain-basement prices and the watches looked GOOD. We'll keep an eye on her. Maybe she'll be " re-instated." I wish her well. I've been all over the net looking for similar deals from Malaysia, but no luck. BTW, you seem amazingly grown up for 16. You're well on your way to a successful life.

Thanks, David. There really IS one super buy out there for $100. Jos's Beginmariner. I have one and I recomend it. It is beautiful ! Also, some of us have " the disease ", but can't part with $300 every time we want a new watch.

Thanks, 200 ( aka Van Halen fan ) I'm liking the cheapo Seadweller more. Keeps VG time and the case is a bit larger than the STD. But it weighs less than even it's Summer Blue brother. One thing they did get right is that there's a little edge of bezel raised around the outside edge of the insert. Something the modders here get by milling down their inserts.

Ozzy: The problem I have with her is not waiting three weeks. I'd gladly wait three weeks to get that smashing ( ! ) Planet Ocean chrono ( quartz ) for $60 ppd. But she doesn't take Paypal or ccds. I got a form e-mail from her, tho' it says she uses Paypal on her site. Your lucky. You live in England. If she doesn't come through for you, you can drive out to her place of business and spit in her eye. lol

Mark Eleven:I'm unfamiliar with auction sites, but $27 is an amazingly low price for the SD they have pictured. It has the larger dot hour markers like the ones I got from Hooheng. Yes, the end links are curious. They look to be cut from sheet metal rather than the cast SEL but they look really the same as the SEL from the front. I don't care if they short you on the diver's link. It's superfluous anyway. What bothers me about these cheapo watches is the heft and weight that they are short of, not their physical errors. And the feeling you get wearing them...not the same. But they are great, convincing beaters and the guy who got one for $27 gets the gold star shopper award.

Thank you, Ozzie. I checked your site and indeed they are cheap. Looks like I could have gotten the same $48 watch ( plus shpg. )for $40 shipped. I felt a little foolish after I posted this even though I made a disclaimer at the beginning for the purists. But the truth is that there are many of us who like watches and lack the resources for paying $200 t0 $300 per watch yet want to enjoy ourselves and buy something presentable. Really, the longer I have the two " inexpensive " ( lol ) watches, the more I like them. They are both keeping excellent time and minor discrepancies aside, look very good, certainly for their price. BTW, I weighed the watches at work tonight. The results : Josh's Beginmariner : 4.7 oz., 133 gr. Hooheng Summer Blue sub : 4.5 oz., 128 gr. Hooheng Black " Sea Dweller " : 4.4 oz., 125 gr.

A bit overpriced at $8888.00 lol. In my EXTREMELY humble opinion, that rehaut is way too conical for me. Even the rehaut on my cheap new subs ( see post ) is less conical. Maybe they're using last generation sub cases/dials for low priced subs.