Dan71

Maybe should be a good procedure to tag picture, in other forum I use this one ..

Ok but you have found same trouble installing the retaining ring ? Any suggestion ?

@hologramet I figure that cartel isn't gen spec. @Bart but do you have try if the bezel ring startime work on cartel retaining ? There are problem to fit the startime retaining on clark plexi ? I read that the last wso is bad quality .. Other option for change only the bezel ring over cartel retaining ?

Hi Bart, I want change the bezel ring on my cartel (perfectclones ). Do you have bought from startime the entire bezel assembly ( retaining ring+bezel ring ) or only the bezel ring ? If only the bezel ring It rotate correctly over the cartel retaining ring ?

Yes , I don't think phong have the triangle shipping ..maybe buy only parts is less risky. When will be the moment i well ponder the best solution ..also I like the phong tudor 7016 and the blanckpain ..maybe with these 3 piece I will can calm down my watches avidity? Mmmm

Ok , I wait with impatience pics with the new dial ..

I'm not an expert but seem nice..what do you think about case back ? maybe I'm more for a lower plexy. Please do you have dial and insert pics ?

Better if it have patina ..is more realistic! Any pics is appreciate but I'm curious about the profile and case back ..

Ok tks , if don't bother you, can you share other pics? When you have time..

Sorry for resume this old post , but i can't found other 3D about your watch Sogeha.. im curious, then do have improved the watch? But above all i cant figure out if the diameter and thikeness of phong 5508 are gen spec or is bigger ? tks

rolojack which the watch donor ? I remember Vulcain did big case ..

Bello Bello Bello !

Is a good theory..or maybe the other have changed the hands during the service..

Here the are some 1680 from different period: http://www.vetroplastica.it/Rolex-referenza-1680-55.html For you the 74' and the two 78' are all 3D or flat ?

Around the turn of the 70? So not from the 80' :-(

@Revere Tks for reply , I looking for on the web but I found only little information. Also chronoshop have some hand for 1680 that seem to me very flat .(see below) Maybe other 'guru' have the knowledge about old submariner and correct hand ? https://www.chrono-shop.net/en/tritium-luminova-hands/660-rolex-tritium-aiguilles-submariner-5513-1680.html

Hi, i have a doubt about 1680 hands.. many guys change cartel hands on their rep 1680, 5512, 5513 with TC hands because they said are more correct.. but after some research today i have found that 1680 have flat hands not 3D hand like TC or like newer gen sub with sapphire glass.. Phong have these different hands on his website for comparation: http://www.jewelryandwatch.com/contents/en-us/d222_Submariner_1680%2C_5512%2C_5517%2C_6538.html see on the bottom the 1680 flat hand, so maybe the flat cartel hands are not so bed ..or not ?

@automatico my cartel 1680 bought last year have the same size of your ..only at h 9 is 5mm maybe rolexaddict had worked on it but is only my speculation .

I figure it , 1500euro for a middlecase maybe :-(

Ok tks for explanation.. Maybe phong have a real thick case like later gen period or is still the same thickness like cartel?

Right ? Because my cartel 1680 bought the last year have engraved 1665 so I thinked that all 1665 have the same thinkness than 1680/5512 But how much is thicker in mm your middle case and where you bought it ? Usual TD ?

So with your experience do you think that cartel 1665 have the same thickness than cartel 1680/5512 or is more thick?

@rolojack fantastic work! the midcase I think is from a 1665 cartel, so the thickeness is tiny like the early gen 1665 (69' 71'?) right ? There is the possibility to found a rep midcase case with the thicker case like the last gen 1665 ?

Spettacolo

Ok, please ask him for the h4 because I have to do this mod on my 2846.