Fellow Dealers - Please Blacklist This Guy

[offshore]

Ok guys, back on topic.

Have just returned from a trip to see who lives at the Main Beach addy.

Knocked on the door, was opened by an elderly gent, asked for P*** R******, and was told - "Doesn't live here, ( a pause). We don't know him"

So I departed.

But it seemed and felt a bit suss.

A lot of these Hi Rises, have managers... this unit ( No. 1) gave a feeling that it was the unit managers residence ( More lived in)... although there was no signage nominating a managers contact on this block.

Could it be another resident using the manager as a drop off point?

I had a look at the letter boxes for all the units, not too many were marked, and no name even remotely similar.

This area has a high transitory population, and a lot of the units would be holiday letting.

So.... drew a blank, and have no further ideas how to try to track the elusive Mr R*****

Clue guys????

Offshore

[ryyannon]

@offshore,

I dunno... what if you sent a letter (could even be a registered letter if you want to invest a little in the project) and see if it gets delivered.

Put a return address on it that you can check in the event the letter gets 'returned to sender'. In this case, you can be fairly certain that the guy is no longer around.

As what to put inside....leave it up to your imagination or spontaneous inspiration. A bit of strange-looking powder and a note explaining that it's a free Anthrax sample.....or perhaps a print-out of 'Ten Good Reasons Why You Should Buy From TTK....

Best of luck!

[offshore]

Yeh,

Good call Ry! Will post a registered on Monday!

Offshore

[KB]

I would advise against the Anthrax line though Alan, you may remember that our courts don't see the funny side of that joke.

Ken

[ryyannon]

I would advise against the Anthrax line though Alan, you may remember that our courts don't see the funny side of that joke.

Ken

Yes, of course: no need for overkill here. Just my imagination working a bit overtime....

I think the important thing is to send something that he'll definitely want to sign for (pretty greeting-card format-type envelope; small gift package, etc., rather than something that looks like a time-bomb or a court summons. Doesn't really matter what's inside....a rabid Koala would be nice though :-)

[watchski]

Yes, i am ready for more banter and chatter... Is that all you have !!!

You guys can do better than that!!

I knew i could get it started back.... This is wonderful

[offshore]

....a rabid Koala would be nice though :-)

Ry, I'll have you know we don't have any rabid koalas in Oz!

Maybe I could just package and send Neil.... t'would achieve a similar impact

Just kidding Neil... but I bet you would like to be here to assist with the door knocking!

And if MR P R, happens to be a member here, and reads this... I wouldn't be opening any LARGE packages soon.

Offshore

[Perfectionist]

Yeah.....Jenna Jameson in your latest porn dvd......go on.....choke your chicken......you know you won't get hairs on your palms....it's an old wife's tale.....just like all of yours.....!

Destroy my ego....thanks......I nearly laughed....!

I believe you when you say you can crap on me.....unfortunately.....the end result is the same for all members.....you keep hitting them with a load of [censored].......!

You're a novice.....sonny.......time for yo mama...to tuck ya up in dreamland.......after a quick fumble about tho'...eh....keep it in the family.....it'll make a change from your brother.....!

I only skimmed through your previous novel length post, but I did notice you forcing double entendres where none actually exist .... very droll and unimaginative, which is actually a major step up for you isn't it !! Congratulations !!

What's trully fascinating about you Total Turd Kisser, is how you love to go on about replica buyers being sad and living in denial etc etc ...... these very people are your (ever dwindling !) customers and you in fact consider yourself a passionate collecter of these items ...... like I said fascinating !!

[Perfectionist]

Dear god, TTK and I wrote the same thing. Should I be scared, or is your motherly love that obvious?

LOL, couples in love often think alike Pug .....

[Perfectionist]

Ok guys, back on topic.

Have just returned from a trip to see who lives at the Main Beach addy.

Knocked on the door, was opened by an elderly gent, asked for P*** R******, and was told - "Doesn't live here, ( a pause). We don't know him"

So I departed.

But it seemed and felt a bit suss.

A lot of these Hi Rises, have managers... this unit ( No. 1) gave a feeling that it was the unit managers residence ( More lived in)... although there was no signage nominating a managers contact on this block.

Could it be another resident using the manager as a drop off point?

I had a look at the letter boxes for all the units, not too many were marked, and no name even remotely similar.

This area has a high transitory population, and a lot of the units would be holiday letting.

So.... drew a blank, and have no further ideas how to try to track the elusive Mr R*****

Clue guys????

Offshore

LOL and don't forget dude ...... if he doesn't pay up ...... Kick his ass Rambo-style !!

Edited September 3, 2006 by Perfectionist

[onezero]

Guys i've only just come across this thread and would like to make an attempt to clear my name.

Im not sure why Andrew said that I have completely ignored him and I am about to contact him and ask that my personal details be deleted from this post. I was not contacted once about him posting my details on forums.

As the emails below say, I bought a few things with paypal and hadnt updated my bank details, hence when paypal went to deduct the money it came back rejected, the funds I sent to Andrew were from my credit card so they weren't affected by this issue, however they put a hold on the funds that were sent to Andrew because they thought it was suspiscious (they were still in his account however he couldn't take them out of his paypal account)

This was explained in the emails below, I have since re-verified my account with paypal which should have removed the restriction on my funds with Andrew, I have not heard from him since.

The money was never reversed back into my account so if Andrew is claiming that I reversed the payment im going to have to contact paypal and find out where the money is.

In the meantime, as I offered in the email, I will send the same amount via western union and take the risk that the original funds may never be retrieved back to me.

I had no intention of scamming anybody and im very upset that my name has been slagged on these forums.

I have had excellent dealings with one of the mods on this forum (Kenberg) and thank him for his words of support.

Andrew, if you read this, check your emails.

Thanks

Paul

Below is a copy and paste from my mail box regarding the situation.

-----Original Message-----

From: p_rogers@ozemail.com.au

Date: Tue, 15 Aug 2006 07:56:04

To:Andrew <trustytime@gmail.com>

Subject: Re: Item #1 - Notification of Payment Received from Paul Rogers

(p_rogers@ozemail.com.au )

Hi Andrew,

Im terribly sorry for keeping you in the dark, im in the middle of

moving house

and havent had full computer access.

The reason this has happened was because I bought a few things using

paypal but

had the charges deducted from a bank account which I had closed, it was an

oversight on my part and will be rectified as soon as i have full computer

access again. (im on my pda at the moment)

Rest assured your funds will be made available to you as soon as possible, if

there are any problems doing this I will send the same amount to you via

western union. I have no intention of causing you any problems or disruptions.

Again im terribly sorry for this inconvenience.

Paul

Quoting Andrew <trustytime@gmail.com>:

> Paul,

>

> Please revert back to me ASAP. If not, I will have to ask someone to help me

> in recovering the funds or seek help.. Thanks

>

> Andrew

>

>

> On 8/9/06, Andrew <trustytime@gmail.com> wrote:

>>

>> Dear Paul Rogers,

>>

>> I have received email from PAYPAL that yours funds is suspicious. Can you

>> let me know what is happening as PAYPAL has frozen the payment which you

>> sent me. Please revert back to me as soon as you can. Thanks!

>>

>> Andrew

[KB]

Thank you Paul I knew you would come through, I must admit I was only half sure that the surname was you hence my inaction, otherwise I would have spoken out stronger in your defence.

As an aside, yes we did have excellent dealings and the result is on my wrist as I type this.

Ken

[onezero]

Ok guys, back on topic.

Have just returned from a trip to see who lives at the Main Beach addy.

Knocked on the door, was opened by an elderly gent, asked for P*** R******, and was told - "Doesn't live here, ( a pause). We don't know him"

So I departed.

But it seemed and felt a bit suss.

A lot of these Hi Rises, have managers... this unit ( No. 1) gave a feeling that it was the unit managers residence ( More lived in)... although there was no signage nominating a managers contact on this block.

Could it be another resident using the manager as a drop off point?

I had a look at the letter boxes for all the units, not too many were marked, and no name even remotely similar.

This area has a high transitory population, and a lot of the units would be holiday letting.

So.... drew a blank, and have no further ideas how to try to track the elusive Mr R*****

Clue guys????

Offshore

You mustn't have gone to the correct address as it is a high security, gated complex. The managers residence is not accessible without gaining access to the complex, only the security gatehouse and they will not confirm/deny that any given person lives there as thats their job. The letter boxes are completely unaccessible unless you have a residence' security fob, no letter boxes are named.

If you want to make another trip to verify this, the complex is called "Liberty"

[trustywatchguy]

You mustn't have gone to the correct address as it is a high security, gated complex. The managers residence is not accessible without gaining access to the complex, only the security gatehouse and they will not confirm/deny that any given person lives there as thats their job. The letter boxes are completely unaccessible unless you have a residence' security fob, no letter boxes are named.

If you want to make another trip to verify this, the complex is called "Liberty"

Paul

Thanks for contacting me. After you sent funds via WU, please contact me via EMAIL

Andrew

[eddhead]

Paul

Thanks for contacting me. After you sent funds via WU, please contact me via EMAIL

Andrew

I hate to ask this question without first puttin on my firesuit, and I mean no disrespect, but given the above e-mail exchange, is anyone here besides me a bit uncomfortable that Paul's name and address were posted? Again no disrespect intended,, Andrew seems like a reputable guy, ut it seems to me that before posting someone's personal information on this fourm, all other avenues should be pursued. Of course we may not be privy to all the facts, but based on what whay we do know, it would seem that in his instance, there was communication and follow-up, even an offer to rectify by paying through WU payment. Of course, we do not know if that offer was responded to...

[KB]

If what you are saying is did Andrew jump the gun....................yes this time I believe he did.

Ken

[archibald]

If what you are saying is did Andrew jump the gun....................yes this time I believe he did.

Ken

I think it's important for both buyers and sellers to keep in mind that paypal is imperfect to say the least.

I've had it work both ways. Paypal once temporarily reversed charges on a watch I sold because the guy was spending an unusual (for him) amont of money in one day.

I was horrified to learn recently that my wife reversed a cc-based paypal charge because the dealer's business name was, by freak coincidence, very close to the name of a remodeling contractor we recently stopped doing business with. I caught it and stopped it before any damage was done, but if I were busy at work or just wasn't paying attention it could easily have snowballed.

I think taking it slow is a must with all paypal problems--a signiicant portion of the time it's neither the buyer's nor the sellers fault--just paypal worring about themselves.

[onezero]

In Andrews defence, I can understand why he did what he did, as pretty much every dealer from time to time has to deal with people trying to charge-back etc. We've never met each other before and he doesnt know me from a bar of soap.

He is still in my opinion one of the best dealers around and I have no hesitation in recommending him, I will no-doubt order from him in the future but will use Western Union to avoid any problems like this.

[KB]

He is still in my opinion one of the best dealers around and I have no hesitation in recommending him

No arguement from me on this, but I must say it is very good of you to make this point considering what has been said in this thread.

Ken

[solicitor]

E-mails are not the most reliable means of communication, obviously.

I think if "onezero" follows through with the WU payment it should be publicly stated here on this thread.

I guess it's up to the good conscience of those involved to decide whether something more than that is appropriate...Just my two cents.

[rsv123]

In Andrews defence, I can understand why he did what he did, as pretty much every dealer from time to time has to deal with people trying to charge-back etc. We've never met each other before and he doesnt know me from a bar of soap.

He is still in my opinion one of the best dealers around and I have no hesitation in recommending him, I will no-doubt order from him in the future but will use Western Union to avoid any problems like this.

Yep, I can speak up for Andrew, have dealt with him for ages, must have bought between 6 and 8 watches from him by PayPal, no problems of any kind. He even apologised for the delay sending a watch when his baby was born!

[www_watch]

Sometimes it simply doesn't work like it is supposed to.....

I don't want to talk about any names here.

But this is what I think:

A dealer comes up with a complaint about a customer.

It takes nothing more than 2 minutes until the first member calls that guy an "[censored]".

Then the flame war is starting. Everyone loves the dealer and hates the customer.

Even with a mod saying "Wait! Let´s see how this turns out...."

A couple of days later.... the so called "scammer" is posting an explanation for the issue.

And somehow it's suddenly starting the other way round.

"Ok.... sounds ok. Maybe the dealer jumped the gun.... maybe it wasn't that much a scam...."

Of course.... excuses for terms like "[censored]" or "scammer" aren't that familiar in the

anonymous internet world. So we won't hear anything like that from the guys that jumped

so eagerly on with the first day of light. But that's another story.

So who wins? I'd like to know how many of "our" dealers transactions go down the drain

that can't be connected to this board because they are made with people from outside the forum?

Also the thread was started "Fellow Dealers blacklist this guy" but the intention was "Fellow Members flame this guy". So let's give the dealers a platform where they can deal with issues like that.

If it really should turn out as a scam after a given time, then it would make sense to go public with that.

But IMO it's a dangerous thing to call someone a scammer without knowing the complete story.

And that always has TWO parties involved.

I don't think the dealers do themselves a favor with postings like that.

In the end it could always turn out like "he jumped the gun" and that may inflict more damage to the dealers business than a payment that was meant to be lost.

These are my 0.02

Your opinions are very welcome.

[dcrooz]

www-watch, I tend to agree with you and was urging for more time for this guy to show his face. There's no need to turn into 'Rambo' as some one else stated earlier. I don't know Offshore and he sounds like a decent guy but just imagine you've had something go wrong (unknown to you) with your Paypal account and a dealer hasn't received payment. Suddenly you have Offshore (who I'm sure is very diplomatic) or some other total stranger confronting you on your doorstep while your wife and kids watch from inside. Now I'm sure as I've already stated twice that Offshore is a good guy, but imagine this were to happen to you. And imagine if they sent TTK along...

I agree that we all have to care for this community but we don't all have to turn into Charles Bronson (The Vigilante) at the drop of a hat.

[edmond]

hope a happy ending to an interesting saga

patience is the key

but suggest that names and addresses should only be posted with the permission of the forum admin

sometimes a mediator can do wonderful things to sort things out before it goes out of hand

[eddhead]

In Andrews defence, I can understand why he did what he did, as pretty much every dealer from time to time has to deal with people trying to charge-back etc. We've never met each other before and he doesnt know me from a bar of soap.

He is still in my opinion one of the best dealers around and I have no hesitation in recommending him, I will no-doubt order from him in the future but will use Western Union to avoid any problems like this.

I agree with both you and Ken.. Andrew is a very reliable and honorable dearler and you are very magnanamous. And I certainly would not blame a dealer who went so far as to post a seller' personal data as a last resort, afterall, nobody likes to get ripped-off. It is just that in this case it does not appear that the crisis point that would warrant that action was reached... there was other avenues of recourse available. I guess this is just a hot button for me but the world is so small... I would not at all be comfortable with having my personal information displayed in a public forum. If it can be erased, I would ask the mods to do so. Just