Nanuq Posted January 21, 2010 Report Share Posted January 21, 2010 Okay lads, let's see if RWG is delivering on the knowledge base. No-crown-guard Subs have been discussed here quite a bit. Take a look at this auction and tell me if this is a genuine 6536. Ready? Go! Is it, or isn't it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freddy333 Posted January 21, 2010 Report Share Posted January 21, 2010 Seller even says dial & bezel have been replaced. I would hazard an educated guess that that is not all that was 'replaced'. On the positive side, the movement looks intact (from what I can see). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanuq Posted January 21, 2010 Author Report Share Posted January 21, 2010 Good, good... now what's the most troubling "feature" of all? (hint: there's another very lovely 6536 sitting right there in the same Ebay search, for face-on comparison) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FxrAndy Posted January 21, 2010 Report Share Posted January 21, 2010 I am going for franken. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freddy333 Posted January 21, 2010 Report Share Posted January 21, 2010 The dark, de-focused, shadowy pics, which are a tell-tale sign of trouble, were enough to put me off by themselves. No honest seller of such a rare/expensive timepiece would post pics like that. Additionally, wrong dial, case (in spite of the 'polishing') looks new, lug engravings wrong, bezel wrong.......need I go on? Ok, I will.......edges of lugs missing any hint of the originally beveling Rolex used back then, bracelet looks new/aftermarket & incorrect for a 653x. I am sure there are other give-aways, but those would only reveal themselves via good, clear pics (or when the buyer received the actual watch). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronin Posted January 21, 2010 Report Share Posted January 21, 2010 Is it just me or is that Wokky.... On another note what is up with the small font size on this one? http://cgi.ebay.com/Rare-Vintage-Rolex-Submariner-6536-1-James-Bond-Watch_W0QQitemZ400095905249QQcmdZViewItemQQptZWristwatches?hash=item5d279305e1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanuq Posted January 21, 2010 Author Report Share Posted January 21, 2010 Very good! Now talk to me about the apparent width of the rehaut ring, the "original" dial diameter, and a no-crown-guards case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pre V Posted January 21, 2010 Report Share Posted January 21, 2010 Dial looks to be from Yuki. Original Dial of a 6536 should have : 1) Depth on the first line 2) Submariner on second line Case is wrong! Engravings should bear: 1) Brevet with a Cross "+" - no registered design 2) 6536-1 instead of 6536/1 This is a poor copy in my opinion.....spells Bad Fake all over.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FxrAndy Posted January 21, 2010 Report Share Posted January 21, 2010 Wokky rehaut what what jumped out on me, that and the fact it was just too clean and the bezel too sharpe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freddy333 Posted January 21, 2010 Report Share Posted January 21, 2010 On another note what is up with the small font size on this one? Except for the dial, which is not clear enough in any of the pics to say 1 way or the other (but I am leaning towards gen), that 1 looks good to me. Very good! Now talk to me about the apparent width of the rehaut ring, the "original" dial diameter, and a no-crown-guards case. I have seen some variation of the inner flange (rehaut), so I do not use that as an indicator. Without seeing (& measuring) the dial out of the case, I cannot say anything about its size. Only that, if it were a pickle, it does not look like a Kosher 1 to me. The case is just missing all the tell-tale signs of an old gen case - beveling of lugs, wear on the underside where the end links rub, yada yada. On the other hand, it looks exactly like the aftermarket cases that we are all familiar with. At least that is how I see it. Oh, & coupled with the pics designed to obscure detail & the seller's lack of extensive Rolex sales experience, the line 'buy the seller' should come immediately to mind. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Relayman Posted January 21, 2010 Report Share Posted January 21, 2010 As a Noob, I can't pick at all of the details. But, 12K for a Franken?? I wouldn't pay 12K for the gen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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