thogaa Posted June 6, 2011 Report Share Posted June 6, 2011 These recently popped up on Josh's website. Non screw chrono pushers - steel bezel. What's your guys $0.02 on these? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbaddds Posted June 6, 2011 Report Share Posted June 6, 2011 looks lk the 6239 with the non screw down pushers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lhooq Posted June 6, 2011 Report Share Posted June 6, 2011 Definitely 6239s, and the standard dials look kinda nice! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thogaa Posted June 6, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 6, 2011 Definitely 6239s, and the standard dials look kinda nice! I'm considering ordering this one Are the subdials a little too far apart? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freddy333 Posted June 6, 2011 Report Share Posted June 6, 2011 These have been making the rounds for a few years at least. Unfortunately, the hour totalizer (lower subdial) is a bit too low & bleeds into the minute track, which is a dead give-away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thogaa Posted June 6, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 6, 2011 These have been making the rounds for a few years at least. Unfortunately, the hour totalizer (lower subdial) is a bit too low & bleeds into the minute track, which is a dead give-away. - I ordered a couple of 6263s just to check them out. Maybe I should stick with the idea of having Spinmaster build me a piece? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lhooq Posted June 7, 2011 Report Share Posted June 7, 2011 I think the good points of the cartel's 6239s can be summarized as follows: -More reliable Sea-Gull movement. (Although both of my 7750s are running well.) -Correct spacing of the subdials at 3 and 9. -Comes with a nice crystal. (DW's default crystal is the wrong size and made of a poor material.) -Great endlinks. The downsides: -Subdial at 6 is non-functional and too low. -Quality of cartel dials is generally poorer than DW's, partly due to that oddly-placed hour counter. -Bezels are inferior to DW's: Less accurate dimensions overall; less accurate and lower-quality engravings and insert text. -Indents are too wide for pump pushers. (Cartel uses the same case for pump and screw-down pushers.) Finally, I think the DW cases are more accurate, overall, than the cartel's. The DW just looks more convincing at a glance, though I suppose that can be argued. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ThinkBachs Posted June 7, 2011 Report Share Posted June 7, 2011 I agree about the DW version... "This first offer from DW is the new model 6238/6239 with asymmetrical push button pushers, logo crown, and powered by a 21,600 BPH (correct beat rate) A7750. Just like all cases, this also readily accepts genuine parts, pushers, crown, crystal and bezel. This watch comes fully complete with a 7835 band and clasp. And your choice of black or steel bezel. Your case will be engraved accordingly with your bezel choice Please check it out at dw-watches.tk under the RWG specials category Also, please sign up on the website with your RWG username when you order." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ugoderosa Posted June 7, 2011 Report Share Posted June 7, 2011 (edited) I bought the latest Cartel version. I agree with M's summary points with respect to the Cartel version. The Seagull movement is very smooth. Here are a couple pics of my cartel version for comparison: Edited June 7, 2011 by ugoderosa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slickdick Posted June 7, 2011 Report Share Posted June 7, 2011 Strange, with seagul mov't there should be no reason for offset pushers vs crown: Did the cartel copied DW's MM case? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wat44 Posted August 3, 2011 Report Share Posted August 3, 2011 my understanding is that these ARE new, not the ones that have been around for a few years (Andrews site has one that says added 2008) the difference being that the new ones have the assymetrical pushers Why oh why arent there any silver ones? I can only see white Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freddy333 Posted August 3, 2011 Report Share Posted August 3, 2011 Why oh why arent there any silver ones? I can only see white I do not believe Rolex ever made a silver Newman dial (only black & white). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wat44 Posted August 4, 2011 Report Share Posted August 4, 2011 what about the one from DW and the one in Ubi's signature? fantasy? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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lhooq Posted August 4, 2011 Report Share Posted August 4, 2011 wat44: I think you're confused by the "Paul Newman" nomenclature, which only refers to the exotic dials e.g. the second one in the OP, or ugoderosa's. Unfortunately and confusingly, a lot of people use "Paul Newman" as shorthand for any manual-wind Daytona. The two you posted are variants of the standard dial, which is only available in black or silver. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wat44 Posted August 4, 2011 Report Share Posted August 4, 2011 Ahhhh thanks! So the only option is DW Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chiman12 Posted August 4, 2011 Report Share Posted August 4, 2011 Strange, with seagul mov't there should be no reason for offset pushers vs crown: I've taken mine apart already and with the seagull movement have symmetrical chrono levers, the cartel had to actually pre-fab a little arm to offset one of the pushers to make it assymmetrical and this is the reason that one of the pusher recesses are not as deep. But it is not apparent at first glance or on the wrist. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lhooq Posted August 4, 2011 Report Share Posted August 4, 2011 So the only option is DW I'm not really sure. Perfect Clones does carry what appear to be the silver standard dials, but 1) The photography is so crap (as usual) that the dial looks white, and 2) The text in the listing refers to them as "white". On the old version of these Daytonas, the dials were definitely silver with a sunburst pattern. I've yet to see non-cartel pictures of the current generation's silver dials. I should also note that someone asked Josh a while back about the dial color of one of the 6238 reps (RLDV00114). The gen dial was silver, and the old rep dial was silver, but Josh insisted that the new dial is white! Go fig. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wat44 Posted August 5, 2011 Report Share Posted August 5, 2011 this one? click twice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lhooq Posted August 5, 2011 Report Share Posted August 5, 2011 this one? Yes, that should be a silver dial, but it's impossible to tell from the overbright, high-contrast, poorly color-balanced photos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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