justaguy88 Posted September 1, 2011 Report Share Posted September 1, 2011 I really like the frankens and exotic rep IWC's that are being posted, but lately it seems like the IWC sub forum has turned more into a dealer subforum. Isn't this against the rules? I can think of a number of dealers who pay good money to have a designated area where they can post watches and parts that they are offering for sale. As much as a love the watches, I have to say that it has changed the character of the IWC forum a bit when every thread turns into a discussion about what parts someone can source and for what price. Does anyone else feel the same way? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FxrAndy Posted September 1, 2011 Report Share Posted September 1, 2011 Not that i have noticed any propper sales listed there but if i see any thing listed for sale it will be treated in the correct way, can you point me to any i have missed? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justaguy88 Posted September 1, 2011 Author Report Share Posted September 1, 2011 Not that i have noticed any propper sales listed there but if i see any thing listed for sale it will be treated in the correct way, can you point me to any i have missed? To start, what about the one immediately below this post. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FxrAndy Posted September 1, 2011 Report Share Posted September 1, 2011 That was started in March and the OP has not posted in it since May? it is just getting bumped by people who haver not read the post that concepta will not make any more portos Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justaguy88 Posted September 1, 2011 Author Report Share Posted September 1, 2011 I'm not sure how what you just said is relevant to my complaint. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
permabull Posted September 1, 2011 Report Share Posted September 1, 2011 Yawn... paging Concepta, your fans stalkers are back Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justaguy88 Posted September 1, 2011 Author Report Share Posted September 1, 2011 Yawn... paging Concepta, your fans stalkers are back It's nothing personal. I like Concepta and I own one of his watches. I'm just getting sick of "look what new parts I have for sale" threads and "look at this brand new franken that I'm obviously offering for sale" threads. There is a place for that and it is in a dealer subforum. If anything, I'm upset for RWG, since certain sellers are obtaining the benefit of advertising without paying for it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mbjoer Posted September 3, 2011 Report Share Posted September 3, 2011 I have to agree here. Concepta is clearly a dealer to be trusted. Why is he not a trusted dealer with a section like any other dealer? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zzipy Posted September 3, 2011 Report Share Posted September 3, 2011 +1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest zeleni kukuruz Posted September 3, 2011 Report Share Posted September 3, 2011 +2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drury Posted September 4, 2011 Report Share Posted September 4, 2011 I have to agree here. Concepta is clearly a dealer to be trusted. Why is he not a trusted dealer with a section like any other dealer? completely agree! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rolexman Posted September 4, 2011 Report Share Posted September 4, 2011 That is not for us to decide. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spooky driver Posted September 4, 2011 Report Share Posted September 4, 2011 That is not on us to decide. but it is on us to have an opinion.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
permabull Posted September 5, 2011 Report Share Posted September 5, 2011 "Opinions are like a$$holes. Everybody's got one and everyone thinks everyone else's stinks!" Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spooky driver Posted September 5, 2011 Report Share Posted September 5, 2011 "Opinions are like a$holes. Everybody's got one and everyone thinks everyone else's stinks!" is it your opinion that my opinion stinks.....well if it is it is only your opinion which i think stinks....i think!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pentax1 Posted September 27, 2011 Report Share Posted September 27, 2011 I think that we should be happy that there is a guy like Concepta around! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
txcollector Posted September 27, 2011 Report Share Posted September 27, 2011 I'm getting a little tired of these threads (and for some reason there are many) complaining about Concepta posting the handful of OEM parts he has available like it was a BAD thing. Most folks wait for a long time to get those announcements. To compare this with rep dealers is somewhat misleading. Rep dealers sell REPs in LARGE volumes and they in general are not forum contributors. Concepta is a platinum member hence he DOES PAY to post at RWG. He has the same right as MANY others to post stuff for sale. Would it make any difference if he moved his posts to the Watches area??? Folks that look for Concepta stuff come to the IWC forum. It's just more convenient If you want to help, go find those parts and offer them here. I'm still trying to understand the different agendas behind these posts. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justaguy88 Posted September 27, 2011 Author Report Share Posted September 27, 2011 You seem to be completely missing my point. Of course it's not bad that a member here has access to OEM parts. The problem is that he is posting them for sale in a forum that is not designated for sales. This is a violation of the rules of RWG and, in my opinion, undermines (to some extent) the spirit of community among us collectors who come to the IWC forum to discuss the watches, not to be pitched parts. You are correct in noting that Concepta paid for a platinum membership, and you are also correct that as a result, he can post items for sale in the SALES section. That is what he has paid for. He hasn't paid to post in a non-sales forum and he hasn't paid for his own section on this site. Concepta's profits are almost certainly in the tens of thousands. If you think that's small enough to ignore some bending of the rules, then I guess that's where you and I disagree. No disrespect to you or to Concepta. I like his watches, but I don't like that he is apparently immune to criticism nor that the people who criticize his posting habits are accused of having "agendas." Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
FDG Posted September 28, 2011 Report Share Posted September 28, 2011 I think Concepta can post whatever he wants in here, we should be glad that he offers us these parts! In fact we should worship him! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest zeleni kukuruz Posted September 28, 2011 Report Share Posted September 28, 2011 Im also a platinum player and thats way i can say, [censored] this [censored] Pay platinum today and never be the same!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
permabull Posted September 28, 2011 Report Share Posted September 28, 2011 Raise it with the mods then, and leave us alone Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justaguy88 Posted September 28, 2011 Author Report Share Posted September 28, 2011 Raise it with the mods then, and leave us alone Who is this "us" you are referring to? Everyone that has replied has agreed with me except for one or two people who are sucking up because they have a watch on the way. Anyway, the mods can see this thread. If they don't want to do anything about it then that's their prerogative. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
txcollector Posted September 28, 2011 Report Share Posted September 28, 2011 Who is this "us" you are referring to? Everyone that has replied has agreed with me except for one or two people who are sucking up because they have a watch on the way. Anyway, the mods can see this thread. If they don't want to do anything about it then that's their prerogative. well I have never bought anything from Concepta much less having "a watch on the way". However I fail to see the value of these kinds of threads. As to your point, as far as I can see the link you've posted states that Concepta was building a few franken watches and told folks to PM here if there was interest. Is that a sales thread? maybe, would it make any difference if it was posted on the "watches" area? no. If I start posting a bunch of frankens on the PAM area, I'm sure someone will be PMing me asking to buy it or any other info. So based on your complaint here I should not be posting those then. Sander has done some fabulous AP frankens and he post them (with a lot of good instructions) in other subforums. Lots of people PM here to try and get one. So he should stop posting too. Is that what you are looking for? The rules (AFAIK) are here to protect the membership. If this was a new member that wasn't approved to sell these high value items using a sub forum to lure unsuspecting member to buy junk, I'd be in 100% agreement with you. The way I see it these threads are created for some personal reason, not really to protect anybody. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
permabull Posted September 28, 2011 Report Share Posted September 28, 2011 Concepta's profits are almost certainly in the tens of thousands... Is this what bothers you? Cause it seems like you have an axe to grind, and it's getting tiresome. This topic has been addressed before, he has been a valued member here for many years and has contributed to the forum in many more ways than some "dealer" who is just out to make a fast buck. And also, I might add, a lot more than some people who have been around for 5 years or more and contributed sweet FA. Keep it up, and he'll stop coming here, and then IWC fans will have to look elsewhere for these rare OEM parts. Good luck! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
justaguy88 Posted September 28, 2011 Author Report Share Posted September 28, 2011 Is this what bothers you? Again insinuating that I have some sort of axe to grind. Gotta love the ad hominem attacks. I'm totally content with my Concepta watch, I'm not a rival dealer of any sort, and I don't have anything bad to say about Concepta on a personal level, so please tell me what my secret motivations are for criticizing his sales practices. Also, LOL at the suggestion that Concepta will "go somewhere else"... because, you know...there is such a huge market for rep IWC's with gen parts. The prevalencey of this attitude on the rep forums is amusing. We as buyers are the ones with power in this market--not the other way around. These guys can't go on ebay or Craigslist and their websites thrive on the endorsements of sites like this one. When more people realize this, the pandering to dealers will end. @ Txcollector, I'm not going to debate the fine line as to when a post becomes a for sale thread because it's pretty clear that Concepta has routinely crossed that line. There is really no more reason for me to continue posting in this thread. I have made my point and the mods can do as they see fit. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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