Mills Posted December 13, 2011 Report Share Posted December 13, 2011 I've been hunting for a gen radiomir for a while and found one on eBay. It was a 288J and listed 50% off retail. All looked good apart from the shitty photos and the seller had good feedback as a seller. I won the auction with a bid just shy of £3k and was looking forward to receiving the watch but then in my eyes it took a turn for the worse. The seller immediately sent me a mail asking if I wanted him to deliver the watch, which was nice, but then asked if I could pay cash (red flag 1). In further discussions he then said "The History of the watch is unknown to me prior to me buying it from a private seller on ebay. As you I did the checking through Panerai in Florence Italy and visitedthe museam there last year with the watch. Please feel free to do your own checking on its authenticity." (red flag 2). After asking for better photos he said he could get no better with his camera. He did send me some more photos of the tags and cosg cert which all matched but at that point I really started to doubt the sale. I've just backed out, much to his annoyance, and expect a tirade of mails demanding payment. Did I do the right thing or am I being paranoid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whoever Posted December 13, 2011 Report Share Posted December 13, 2011 Seems to me you did the right thing....Sounds fishy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronin Posted December 13, 2011 Report Share Posted December 13, 2011 If the person selling a GEN high value item will not provide simple quality photo's or complete the transaction AFTER certifying authenticity, you have every right to run. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mills Posted December 13, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 13, 2011 He just offered to have it cracked open at a local jewellers but I'm now just uncomfortable with the whole thing. My gut says run away and I think I should follow it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dluddy Posted December 13, 2011 Report Share Posted December 13, 2011 Run away and trust your instincts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mills Posted December 13, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 13, 2011 I told him to get the authenticity sorted and sell it on paneristi to make an extra £500. I feel bad if he was a genuine seller but I'm not parting with hard earned cash when it doesn't feel right. Sending it in for a service and not getting it back would keep me worried for years. I hate waiting for email when you know it's going to be somebody ranting at you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
modelizer Posted December 13, 2011 Report Share Posted December 13, 2011 Run away and trust your instincts. +1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mills Posted December 13, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 13, 2011 Is there any recourse he can take against me backing out of a winning bid. I read up on it and I think I'm covered by distance selling but as I've never backed out of a transaction like this so I'm unsure. I don't care about my eBay profile, I'm more worried about UK law Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wat44 Posted December 14, 2011 Report Share Posted December 14, 2011 link? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spooky driver Posted December 14, 2011 Report Share Posted December 14, 2011 I would run...it sounds a tad fishy. I would however agree to tell eBay you did not process with the translation that way he would not have to pay eBay their fees Sent from my MB860 using Tapatalk Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxman Posted December 14, 2011 Report Share Posted December 14, 2011 You did the right thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikellem Posted December 14, 2011 Report Share Posted December 14, 2011 Smells like rotten fish to me.... I wouldn't touch for half the price... You definitely did the right thing, and you owe this crook nothing! MM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blue_sphere Posted December 14, 2011 Report Share Posted December 14, 2011 Run away and trust your instincts. +1000 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jurgenk Posted December 14, 2011 Report Share Posted December 14, 2011 Definitely saved yourself loads of trouble. Recovering money after bad deals go down on ebay can take months if ever... I had to get a county prosecutor involved after eBay and square trade failed me. Don't look back for a second. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
txcollector Posted December 14, 2011 Report Share Posted December 14, 2011 Is there any recourse he can take against me backing out of a winning bid. I read up on it and I think I'm covered by distance selling but as I've never backed out of a transaction like this so I'm unsure. I don't care about my eBay profile, I'm more worried about UK law when he asked for cash payment that's against eBay rules. If you forward that email to eBay the seller most likely will be suspended. You are in the clear. Apparently the seller is not 100% sure about the watch authenticity (hence the low price), wants your cash (non traceable or recoverable) and won't provide better proof, run as fast as you can. Nothing good will come out of it. It's even worse that he's trying hard to convince you to buy even after all of this. If the deal was legit he would be able to sell it for more money in a heartbeat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watchmeister Posted December 14, 2011 Report Share Posted December 14, 2011 It's good to know he visited the Panerai museum with his watch. My guess is that you made the right decision. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flim Posted December 14, 2011 Report Share Posted December 14, 2011 Run away and trust your instincts. 100% agree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
subbiesrock Posted December 14, 2011 Report Share Posted December 14, 2011 Run as fast as you can... Also, don't worry about eBay with not paying. As a buyer, he can't leave negative feedback. Open a dispute thing and say you no longer want to purchase the item, which you have every right to do for no reason whatsoever. Next, he'll complain. You email him and blackmail him, say you will email eBay the email he sent you about paying in cash (which is not allowed) unless he agrees to cancel the transaction. UK law has no bearing whatsoever on an eBay transaction. Unless the watch is not a watch but a spare kidney You are totally in the clear mate, don't stress, walk away, there are millions more watches to spend money on Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExtraExtra Posted December 14, 2011 Report Share Posted December 14, 2011 The onus is on the seller to provide authenticity or don't bother saying that it is when it can't be proven specially with a high value item. If it really is authentic then the cost of getting it is well worth the increase in price that it will command. So you did the right thing and saved yourself the headache. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hambone Posted December 14, 2011 Report Share Posted December 14, 2011 Go with your gut. No Box or papers? Ebay is a bad place to buy a gen. Try Paneristi. They police themselves very well, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mills Posted December 14, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 14, 2011 Run as fast as you can... Also, don't worry about eBay with not paying. As a buyer, he can't leave negative feedback. Open a dispute thing and say you no longer want to purchase the item, which you have every right to do for no reason whatsoever. Next, he'll complain. You email him and blackmail him, say you will email eBay the email he sent you about paying in cash (which is not allowed) unless he agrees to cancel the transaction. UK law has no bearing whatsoever on an eBay transaction. Unless the watch is not a watch but a spare kidney You are totally in the clear mate, don't stress, walk away, there are millions more watches to spend money on Great, thanks for that. I'll do so right away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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