eye.surgeon Posted February 15, 2012 Report Share Posted February 15, 2012 (edited) I've been a member here for 6 years and I've bought a lot of watches. I don't post a lot, but this situation bothers me. I ordered a top-quality IWC replica from Trusty Time and it arrived DOA. The movement doesn't run at all. It seems to me the right thing to to is to send me a new one ASAP and he pays to ship it back to him. I'm not a new customer to him, I've bought from him before. I emailed him to give him a chance to make it right, I don't expect perfection and I understand problems can happen. Instead I am told to send it back, at my expense, and he will repair it. So instead of getting a new watch I get a repaired watch, delayed by weeks because of shipping back and forth, at my expense. Does this seem right? Am I being unreasonable? Edited February 15, 2012 by eye.surgeon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
It'sAboutTime Posted February 15, 2012 Report Share Posted February 15, 2012 (edited) I agree that dealers should pay return shipping for DOA watches but I don't know how they could arrange it. I wouldn't expect anyone to send a replacement without getting the defective one back first. Dealers would send replacements and never hear from some of the buyers again. Meanwhile, the buyers have the original watch on their wrist and the replacement up for sale locally or on the forums. Edited February 15, 2012 by It'sAboutTime Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikellem Posted February 15, 2012 Report Share Posted February 15, 2012 I have been told that Andrew at Trusty has settled this issue . MM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeeJay Posted February 15, 2012 Report Share Posted February 15, 2012 Yes, you are being unreasonable. You've been here long enough to know that paying return shipping is always on the customer's dime. Do I agree with that status quo? Not at all, I really don't like it, but I accept that it's the nature of the game Seeing the above comment, I'm glad to see that you've come to a resolution with Andrew Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jkay Posted February 15, 2012 Report Share Posted February 15, 2012 If you don't agree with the long standing practice of paying for registered shipping to China, and a ~2 month wait, have the piece repaired/serviced by a trusted watchmaker with the cash you would have paid for shipping. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cougar1 Posted February 15, 2012 Report Share Posted February 15, 2012 Shipping back to China is a PITA, I'd much rather negotiate a decent discount off an future watch I wanted from the dealer, save on shipping and get the work done closer to home these days. At the end of the day though it is buyer prerogative to pay return fees, unless you are dealing with a big store that would offer to pay return as a gesture, but that is rare these days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikellem Posted February 15, 2012 Report Share Posted February 15, 2012 Yes, you are being unreasonable. You've been here long enough to know that paying return shipping is always on the customer's dime. Do I agree with that status quo? Not at all, I really don't like it, but I accept that it's the nature of the game Seeing the above comment, I'm glad to see that you've come to a resolution with Andrew TJ +1 This is exactly how the game works.. TJ hit the nail on the head if you like it or not...IT'S then rules and we abide by them.. MM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maxman Posted February 15, 2012 Report Share Posted February 15, 2012 It's Is Indeed a pita to send a watch back to China town....thats why it is always suggested that you try to have it looked at locally first. Nine times out of ten...If It's a minor Issue...It can be fixed by most watch repair persons/shops. Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeeJay Posted February 15, 2012 Report Share Posted February 15, 2012 TJ +1 This is exactly how the game works.. TJ hit the nail on the head if you like it or not...IT'S then rules and we abide by them.. MM I think the thing to be mindful of, is the differences between American and Chinese business practices. Concepts like customer loyalty/repeat business etc take a back seat to the ethos of easy individual sales and making money off that bulk, rather than playing the long game Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Richardzx9 Posted February 15, 2012 Report Share Posted February 15, 2012 I know it doesn't sound fair but this is normal practice from all the dealers. I usually get them repaired myself rather than sending the watch back; in my experience the watch will never be right if returned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dvn Posted February 15, 2012 Report Share Posted February 15, 2012 That is the reality of this game. I sent watches back to the dealers more than one occasions and they made them right but the shipping expense was on me (about $30 EMS to china from US). Maybe your next order you could ask for some discount if you mentioned the past issue but I have never done that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eye.surgeon Posted February 15, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 15, 2012 I'm the original poster and trusty has resolved this situation to my satisfaction. Thanks for your input everyone. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JKDDUDE Posted February 15, 2012 Report Share Posted February 15, 2012 This is exactly why I think its strange to give guys a hard time if they charge a bit more for their used reps..If they are in your country and there no customs or movement issues (I trust the guys on the forum:) ) it is well worth a few extra bucks... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spooky driver Posted February 15, 2012 Report Share Posted February 15, 2012 I'm the original poster and trusty has resolved this situation to my satisfaction. Thanks for your input everyone. so you paid to get it sent back then? :g: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vandal Posted February 15, 2012 Report Share Posted February 15, 2012 so you paid to get it sent back then? :g: I would like to know too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogerthat Posted February 15, 2012 Report Share Posted February 15, 2012 International shipping is so much different than domestic that it makes it unfair to compare return policies between international and domestic transactions This extends into legitimate goods as well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
calatrava Posted February 16, 2012 Report Share Posted February 16, 2012 I received a Pam 111M from Angus that was DOA, and I was refunded the cost of shipping it back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watchmeister Posted February 16, 2012 Report Share Posted February 16, 2012 If I receive a DOA watch and am a frequent flyer I expect to pay the shipping back myself but not to be charged shipping on the replacement they are sending me. What has clearly changed has been more frequent repairing rather than exchanging but I suspect that has more to do with the cost of the watch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Logan Posted February 16, 2012 Report Share Posted February 16, 2012 If you want top notch service and free shipping the prices will have to go up to cover it.. simple economics. just build an allowance for this into the price you're paying. Personally I'd never return a watch to China.. I've seems dozens of forum disputes start that way. I either repair myself, or send to a non china based service person. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watchmeister Posted February 16, 2012 Report Share Posted February 16, 2012 I am not suggesting free shipping. I am suggesting free shipping on the new item when paying the shipping on returning the defective item. And everyone's experience is different. I have always return defective watches and never had a problem. Now it has been more than a year since I had that type of issue but this is also based on 8-10 years of experience when all of the cartel had their little photo buckets. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eye.surgeon Posted February 16, 2012 Author Report Share Posted February 16, 2012 I don't want to go into details out of respect for Trusty other than to say that he stands behind what he sells. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
frankt Posted February 16, 2012 Report Share Posted February 16, 2012 In my opinion, the "Cartel" dealers (and others too..) have adopted this difficult, time consuming procedure to DISCOURAGE returns......If it was easy, and quick, fewer folks would choose the "get it fixed locally" option...As a result, I personally have chosen to very infrequently use their services... But...that's just MY opinion!! :g: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
P4GTR Posted February 16, 2012 Report Share Posted February 16, 2012 I don't want to go into details out of respect for Trusty other than to say that he stands behind what he sells. Haha because he hooked you up I bet! You got another watch or something good! That's one thing Josh and Andrew seem to be cool about, throwing money or goodies at a problem is a sure fire good business practice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikellem Posted February 17, 2012 Report Share Posted February 17, 2012 I'm the original poster and trusty has resolved this situation to my satisfaction. Thanks for your input everyone. Nice for you to post that Andrew at Trusty took care of you.. He try's very hard t take care of his customers! It all usually works out in the end. I just sent a watch back to China last week EMS and the cost was $38 from California to China. The only hassle sending a watch back is filing out 2 forms. One is a custom form and it takes some time. Other than that, its really not bad... I shipped another one last month with no problems also... You get use to it after awhile if you receive defective watches... It can happen to the best dealers also... It's not a perfect world,,, and our watches have problems from time to time right from the shipper... MM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watchmeister Posted February 17, 2012 Report Share Posted February 17, 2012 How many black market items can be returned? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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