Finepics Posted April 10, 2006 Report Share Posted April 10, 2006 @ Markus - it has arrived. My opinion is at risk of upsetting some - I'm going to be brutally honest here (sorry Markus but it needs to be said) - they are not what we hoped for. The bevel is still the same as the reps crowns. In fact it looks just like a rep crown only thicker as the extra width has been lost with the bevel. I did think that enough photos and descriptions had been posted prior to them being made, but it seems they were largely ignored. There was little wrong with the rep crowns apart from the bevel going too far into the meat of the crown and extending on to the side wall. All that was needed was to have a 1.9mm thick crown with just the ends of the knurled teeth only being bevelled. Back to sqaure one as far as I am concerned. I will post close up pics tonight. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watchmeister Posted April 10, 2006 Report Share Posted April 10, 2006 Not a good sign. I look forward to the pictures. Can these ones be reworked by eliminating .1 mm on each side since they are 2.1 versus 1.9 gen or is that hopeless? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dadog13 Posted April 10, 2006 Report Share Posted April 10, 2006 they are not what we hoped?!!! but they look awesom from the photos that have been posted! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watchmeister Posted April 10, 2006 Report Share Posted April 10, 2006 I would hold off. But not just because the crowns may not be great. None of us have heard from Palpatine for almost a month. We all believe he will return when he recovers from the loss of a family member. But until then a number of us are waiting to hear about watches and parts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finepics Posted April 10, 2006 Report Share Posted April 10, 2006 It would certainly be popssible to shave a little off the outer edge and indeed that is what I would do, but the inside edge would be more difficult without some sort of lathe altough I'm sure some people would manage it. Have a look later when I get the pics up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finepics Posted April 10, 2006 Report Share Posted April 10, 2006 OK here are the pics as promised. Excuse the crap quality - no time to mess around with photography for this but they should clearly show the problems. Thickness 2.13, a bit too much but better too much thab not enough (or is it). Now the head on look - looks a little rounded, as you will see why. Now we see where the problem starts. Teeth only 1.31 wide +/- .1 (difficult to measure accurately) - way too narrow. And here's why - our good old friend the overdone bevel. See how it extends beyond the teeth onto the side of the crown. It is not the angle that's wrong but the amount. The bevel should just be at the ends of the teeth only and no more, so all the bevel has done here is to narrow the teeth. And again. Here is a little reminder of what it should look like. Now there is room to remove some metal from the outer edge to reduce the width so reducing the appearance of the bevel, but the teeth are still way too narrow for that to achieve anything- they should be about 1.65 wide. So there you have it - draw your own conclusions. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Markus Posted April 10, 2006 Report Share Posted April 10, 2006 Thanks for posting the bad news!! That's a damn shame. Maybe I'll get a discount (or replacement?) if there's a version 2 somewhere along the line... Oh well, nothing ventured, nothing gained. Have you fitted it yet finepics? If you haven't then don't bother mate. Thanks for taking the trouble to post the pics though. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finepics Posted April 10, 2006 Report Share Posted April 10, 2006 Sorry for the bad news - I have not fitted it yet so I will just return it to you with the other bits as soon as they are ready. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watchmeister Posted April 11, 2006 Report Share Posted April 11, 2006 Bummer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dani Posted April 11, 2006 Report Share Posted April 11, 2006 Nhha better whit that then the org on my 005 logo so whats better is better if its better for my eyes that what i cear about.. Gone buy a gen panerai soon then their is no worrys Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finepics Posted April 11, 2006 Report Share Posted April 11, 2006 What I cannot understand is that the prototype crowns that were shown in the original old RWG thread on this were damn near perfect, so why the hell are they so completely wrong now!! It would be so much better to not bevel the edges at all then at least the appearance would be much better. The whole crown problem is such a simple thing, I fail to see why it has not been corrected. Remember these from the old RWG - prototype next to Lello crown (middle) and rep crown. Original thread here: http://www.replica-watches-guide.com/forum...=33049&hl=crown And the crown protoype that was eventually settled on by everyone So how come we don't have this? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abakan Posted April 11, 2006 Report Share Posted April 11, 2006 i smell rat... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Estaban Posted April 11, 2006 Report Share Posted April 11, 2006 I just want one that fits on my 029 (2836) and snugs nicely up to the watch case. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldeCrow Posted April 15, 2006 Report Share Posted April 15, 2006 Here's a couple shots with it installed on an EL 111h Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shultz Posted April 15, 2006 Report Share Posted April 15, 2006 Hi, thanks for these early reviews. I am still waiting for my crown (for PAM112) but didn't receive it yet. I am wondering what the seller, pam is thinking about the reviews? I didn't read any comment yet... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldeCrow Posted April 15, 2006 Report Share Posted April 15, 2006 (edited) Well I am happy with the crowns, they won't pass as genuine but they are better than the anorexic crowns on some of the reps out there. It would be nice to eventually get a perfect reproduction crown but I can live with these untill then! Thanks Marcus! I guess you can see the crowns arrived! Any plans on a second run of more improved crowns ? Edited April 15, 2006 by OldeCrow Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abakan Posted April 15, 2006 Report Share Posted April 15, 2006 "OldeCrow" while you're satisfied with them it's great, but other people may have had more acceptable crowns to begin with. So when they saw what product they are getting they bought them based on the pictures PAM supplied. When you receive something that is considerably different you do get disappointed. I am one of those people, not flaming, just would like to hear his explanation on that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OldeCrow Posted April 15, 2006 Report Share Posted April 15, 2006 "OldeCrow" while you're satisfied with them it's great, but other people may have had more acceptable crowns to begin with. So when they saw what product they are getting they bought them based on the pictures PAM supplied. When you receive something that is considerably different you do get disappointed. I am one of those people, not flaming, just would like to hear his explanation on that. I understand completely, in fact if I had known that these crowns were less than advertised I would not have bought them but by the time the warning went out it was too late for me. I am in a little bit different situation, I am building a couple of pam style watches and since they are not “reps” they don’t have to be exact so I will get my moneys worth out of the crowns I bought. I would also be interested in hearing from Marcus on the issue too just to hear his thoughts on the matter. I am still thrilled to have some extra crowns in my parts drawer though! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
abakan Posted April 16, 2006 Report Share Posted April 16, 2006 Agreed, never too many parts There is always some project going, isn't? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finepics Posted April 16, 2006 Report Share Posted April 16, 2006 Its suprising that PAM (who I know was watching this thread a little while ago) has not responded to any of the remarks made here. After posting my critique I did send him a long email explaining that there is an expectation amongst the members that those who are in a position to give a report do so in a fair an unbiased manner, which is what I did, and he did not reply. I realise that I may have damaged PAM's market but enough advice and detailed photos was given in the run up to producing these crowns so that if they are not right then members need to know especially as they were not the cheapest accessory. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
swdivad Posted April 16, 2006 Report Share Posted April 16, 2006 I held off on the purchase of these because there were too many variations in the photos shown... That, witha lack of communication told my little guy inside to hold off on these... With that, is anyone interested in 3 Lello crowns I have here waiting for a home? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tedbearz Posted April 16, 2006 Report Share Posted April 16, 2006 I held off on the purchase of these because there were too many variations in the photos shown... That, witha lack of communication told my little guy inside to hold off on these... With that, is anyone interested in 3 Lello crowns I have here waiting for a home? Any of those will fit a PAM63 ETA2893? If anyone else has a Lello crown pls let me know. Thanks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spock Posted April 19, 2006 Report Share Posted April 19, 2006 Michael you are on line. Please answer my PM. I'm still waiting for my crown? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pam Posted April 19, 2006 Author Report Share Posted April 19, 2006 Michael you are on line. Please answer my PM. I'm still waiting for my crown? you have a PM Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finepics Posted April 19, 2006 Report Share Posted April 19, 2006 It's interesting to note that there are a lot of reps appearing with damn near perfect crowns - so someone has been listenening. I just received one of the PAM subs and the crown on that is almost faultless!!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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