whoever Posted July 20, 2012 Report Share Posted July 20, 2012 (edited) what a horror story!! I guess it'll still be without any effect on USA's weapon policy??? http://live.reuters.com/Event/Colorado_Dark_Knight_Shooting Edited July 20, 2012 by whoever Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fracture Posted July 20, 2012 Report Share Posted July 20, 2012 What does the weapon policy have to do with it? If he really wanted to kill, he would have found a way, weapons or not. I live in a very restricted country (belgium) concerning guns, and I can tell you that the same [censored] happens here (crazy person stabbing babies in a childcare center a few years ago comes to mind). You can buy illegal weapons after a quick search easily enough, no law is going to change that. I believe in a certain qoute: "An armed society is a polite society". Either way, it's a tragedy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ephry73 Posted July 20, 2012 Report Share Posted July 20, 2012 What does the weapon policy have to do with it? If he really wanted to kill, he would have found a way, weapons or not. I live in a very restricted country (belgium) concerning guns, and I can tell you that the same [censored] happens here (crazy person stabbing babies in a childcare center a few years ago comes to mind). You can buy illegal weapons after a quick search easily enough, no law is going to change that. I believe in a certain qoute: "An armed society is a polite society". Either way, it's a tragedy. +111 If any person wanted to buy illegal guns, they would. Making it harder to uphold my second amendment rights just makes it easier for the criminals to have the upper hand. Our youth needs less leisure time and more time spent being busy with real life. Too much time is spent doing nothing and watching "reality tv". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbutlerman Posted July 20, 2012 Report Share Posted July 20, 2012 I'm with j3T and Ephry73. I think j3T summed it up nicely with "An armed society is a polite society". I was listening to the radio this morning and one of the talking points was, would it be better to have tighter scrutiny (security checks) getting into a movie theatre, or to have easier access to CWPs (concealed weapons permits). I believe the latter is the better choice. If the "good guys" had easier access to guns, the "bad guys" would have less of a chance of wreaking havoc on the innocent. There are always going to be "nut-jobs" in this world, and making it harder for the non-"nut-jobs" to get guns isn't going to solve the issue. That being said - I strongly believe in thorough background checks, cooling off periods, and gun education prior to the acquisition of firearms. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whoever Posted July 20, 2012 Author Report Share Posted July 20, 2012 (edited) don't you think there is a difference between crimes and organized crime that comes with living in society, and pure madness of some guys going on a rampage some afternoon with a freaking AK47? I think there is a simple point, the more guns are on the open and controlled market, the more you find them on the black market....from robberies, thefts etc etc... if the open market is harder to get ,black market too.... Edited July 20, 2012 by whoever Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nanuq Posted July 20, 2012 Report Share Posted July 20, 2012 @whoever, a simpler method to reduce the number of AK-pattern weapons in the black market is to fire the Attorney General, and everyone else involved in Operation Fast and Furious. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redwatch Posted July 20, 2012 Report Share Posted July 20, 2012 Canadian here living in the states and I have to say that this whole 2nd amendment is just silly in my opinion. I am sorry, but you are saying we should have more concealed weapons as a way to protect from people who have guns???? Really??? So our society would be better if everyone was packing a glock? I know Canadians are generally viewed as naive but come on here folks. Bottom line is that guy was a nut job and he still would have managed to kill some people whether or not other people in the theater were carrying a piece. I think its an absolute tragedy what happened, but the solution is definitely NOT arming the masses just to protect themselves. From what you are saying, the world was a better place when the cowboys were allowed to carry their smith & wesson pistols at all times and when they got cheated in their card game it was ok to gun down the other player. Nice and peaceful. Sounds like a great time. Just my 0.02 on the matter Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fracture Posted July 20, 2012 Report Share Posted July 20, 2012 (edited) Those where other times. Cowboys did not need permits to carry guns, they just went in a store and bought one. I believe that persons that are thoroughly checked and proved themselves that they are stable and responsible enough to carry a firearm should be able to do that, yes. If someone with a concealed weapon permit was in that theater, he could have changed the outcome. Even if it was one victim less, it would have been one grieving family less. Edited July 20, 2012 by j3T Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redwatch Posted July 20, 2012 Report Share Posted July 20, 2012 Or when the laws change and more people start carrying, then the nut jobs will change and just use something else, like, oh..... I don't know..... maybe a bomb? Guns won't change anything. They'll just escalate the issue and make the incidents that much more violent and the outcomes that much more tragic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dluddy Posted July 20, 2012 Report Share Posted July 20, 2012 From what you are saying, the world was a better place when the cowboys were allowed to carry their smith & wesson pistols at all times and when they got cheated in their card game it was ok to gun down the other player. Nice and peaceful. Sounds like a great time. Well, this would solve the Jail overcrowding issue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redwatch Posted July 20, 2012 Report Share Posted July 20, 2012 Well, this would solve the Jail overcrowding issue Can't argue with that one, now can I? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbutlerman Posted July 20, 2012 Report Share Posted July 20, 2012 http://www.abc4.com/content/news/top_stories/story/Man-uses-concealed-weapon-to-stop-stabbing-spree/zdZzsT6hNk2Q9tJtkKq3VA.cspx Isolated event..I know..but the idea still applies... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whoever Posted July 20, 2012 Author Report Share Posted July 20, 2012 And guys, a crazy guy can seem as normal as the most normal guy you can imagine....sometimes it just bursts out in an incompre hensible way! So he would pass all the tests in the world for having a gun! Red, I'm with you! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freddy333 Posted July 20, 2012 Report Share Posted July 20, 2012 You're walking down a deserted street with your wife and two small children. Suddenly, a dangerous looking man with a huge knife comes around the corner, locks eyes with you, screams obscenities, raises the knife, and charges. You are carrying a Glock .40 and you are an expert shot. You have mere seconds before he reaches you and your family. What do you do? Liberal Answer: Well, that's not enough information to answer the question! Does the man look poor or oppressed? Have I ever done anything to him that would inspire him to attack? Could we run away? What does my wife think? What about the kids? Could I possibly swing the gun like a club and knock the knife out of his hand? What does the law say about this situation? Does the Glock have an appropriate safety built into it? Why am I carrying a loaded gun and what kind of message does this send to society and my children? Is it possible he'd be happy with just killing me? Does he definitely want to kill me or would he just be content to wound me? If I were to grab his knees and hold on, could my family get away while he was stabbing me? This is all so confusing! I need to debate this with some friends for a few days to try to come to a conclusion. Conservative Answer: BANG! Texan's Answer: BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! click... (sounds of reloading). Wife: "Sweetheart, he looks like he's still moving, what do you kids think?" Son: "Mom's right Dad, I saw it too..." BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! BANG! click. Daughter: "Nice group, Daddy! Were those the Winchester Silver Tips?" 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fracture Posted July 20, 2012 Report Share Posted July 20, 2012 I wouldn't say it's a mistake, but police isn't always around. Good people should have the right and means to defend themselves and the people around them from those who mean harm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
whoever Posted July 20, 2012 Author Report Share Posted July 20, 2012 How do you define "good" people? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woof* Posted July 20, 2012 Report Share Posted July 20, 2012 Lol Freddy! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbutlerman Posted July 20, 2012 Report Share Posted July 20, 2012 How do you define "good" people? Just an example...Those not shooting innocents in a movie theatre. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freddy333 Posted July 20, 2012 Report Share Posted July 20, 2012 Lol Freddy! & I am a lifelong democrat. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
woof* Posted July 20, 2012 Report Share Posted July 20, 2012 I grew up in Aurora Colo in the 60's, today's events brought back plenty of memories. Really sad this idiot decided to ruin so many lives today. In this particular situation ccw probably would not of had a lot of effect on the outcome, but if he could have been stopped short and saved one life then all the better. Shame in the theaters policy. Let it be a lesson to avoid business's that don't allow ccw. If your not an American and raised here, I would not expect you to understand our Constitution and our right to bear arms. The Founders of our country deemed the right to bear arms God given...not man given. It's a wholesale concept that you either get..or not get. I don't blame you for having a different opinion on the right or wrong if it. The worse part of today's events for me were watching all the politicians using the situation like a political football. The political motto of never let a crisis go to waste sickens me. Prayers go out to the victims and family's of the victims. I hope that idiot gets swift justice. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeeJay Posted July 20, 2012 Report Share Posted July 20, 2012 Those where other times. Cowboys did not need permits to carry guns, they just went in a store and bought one. I believe that persons that are thoroughly checked and proved themselves that they are stable and responsible enough to carry a firearm should be able to do that, yes. If someone with a concealed weapon permit was in that theater, he could have changed the outcome. Even if it was one victim less, it would have been one grieving family less. Cowboys didn't carry concealed guns (well, maybe a backup piece) but for the main, they all wore them in belt holsters, people knew what they were getting into if they decided to tangle with such a person. As for the shooting, absolutely terrible, my thoughts and prayers to all those involved PS 2nd Ammendment = Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ephry73 Posted July 20, 2012 Report Share Posted July 20, 2012 It's is not so much the right to bare arms, rather the ability to protect yourself and yours at any cost. Ultimately, it is a shame this kid did this as if anything, more psychological evaluation should be administered in higher learning institutions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeeJay Posted July 20, 2012 Report Share Posted July 20, 2012 It's is not so much the right to bare arms, rather the ability to protect yourself and yours at any cost. Ultimately, it is a shame this kid did this as if anything, more psychological evaluation should be administered in higher learning institutions. Exactly. It really bugs me that UK law doesn't make such allowances. In theory, 'reasonable force' is allowed, but the carrying of 'offensive weapons', is not. Now, if someone was going to be going through a really rough and nasty part of town where people habitually carry knives and other weapons, logic is that someone needs to carry an equalizer, and said equalizer should come under 'reasonable force', but instead, it all just comes under 'offensive weapons' offences. Personally, I think there's a big difference (which the law should recognise) between someone carrying a weapon because they're passing through a rough area and wanting to be able to settle the score in the likelihood of getting jumped, and some Beta Specimen carrying a weapon to add inches to his wang... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
redwatch Posted July 20, 2012 Report Share Posted July 20, 2012 ....... more psychological evaluation should be administered in higher learning institutions. I think it's more than just that E, I think people just need to pay more attention. Parents, teachers, peers, etc. You will always see/read interviews with the parents of someone who has been found guilty of a tragic crime like this and they almost always seem to say "we had no idea he/she was so disturbed". Really??? No clue??? Perhaps if the parent/parents spent more time paying attention to their kid instead of just plopping them down in front of the TV or in front of the X-station/Play-Box machine then they might have had a clue that their child has some serious issues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeeJay Posted July 20, 2012 Report Share Posted July 20, 2012 I think it's more than just that E, I think people just need to pay more attention. Parents, teachers, peers, etc. You will always see/read interviews with the parents of someone who has been found guilty of a tragic crime like this and they almost always seem to say "we had no idea he/she was so disturbed". Really??? No clue??? Perhaps if the parent/parents spent more time paying attention to their kid instead of just plopping them down in front of the TV or in front of the X-station/Play-Box machine then they might have had a clue that their child has some serious issues. This is the very point I raised in my interview with KB when asked why people don't realize that their friends/family members are becoming Radicalized: People simply do not know before it is too late, due to people's tendency to give others pricacy... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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