indywatchguy Posted June 8, 2013 Report Share Posted June 8, 2013 Hey fellas, Can anyone possibly identify the maker and/or quality of this sub? Basically(as we OCD watch geeks luv to do) critic the heck out it! It does have a smooth sweeping hand that appears to be high beat Swiss movement. The case back hasn't been removed to verify it.This is the first LV release Pre-rehaut engraving. I know the crown and lume dot are not up to specs.The DWO looks like TC's and appears to be very good quality. Any other observations would be appreciated. Now have at it boys! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danielv2000 Posted June 8, 2013 Report Share Posted June 8, 2013 Rehaut looks pretty wokky. Hour marker surrounds look pretty thick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiseguy1481 Posted June 8, 2013 Report Share Posted June 8, 2013 I personally know that this is NOT a TC build. The hour markers are too thick (silver round markers). The SEL fitment is also not as GEN like as the TC. Also, the cyclops magnification does not seem to be all that good as the date does not fill up the cyclops... Obviously the crown and insert as you already mentioned. I am not sure WHERE its from but its not one of the BEST such as a TC. My .2 cents.... This is what a TC should look like (gen crystal, insert, crown): Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indywatchguy Posted June 8, 2013 Author Report Share Posted June 8, 2013 Thanks wise and dan! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSTEEL Posted June 8, 2013 Report Share Posted June 8, 2013 (edited) WM9? Or even possibly an old Eddie Lee rep? Edited June 8, 2013 by SSTEEL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indywatchguy Posted June 8, 2013 Author Report Share Posted June 8, 2013 Well i know its a LV sub lol Haha Nice WM9? Or even possibly an old Eddie Lee rep? Eddie Lee???Tell me more Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSTEEL Posted June 8, 2013 Report Share Posted June 8, 2013 EL was a TD back in the day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Libertatia Posted June 8, 2013 Report Share Posted June 8, 2013 I woulden't wear this if I were you. You can cook a stir fry in there, plus the dial is really bad. Just have to look at the second markers. I will guess its an old noob factory, as even new noob factories have messed up second markers that don't make contact with the rehaut; which nobody seems to mention. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indywatchguy Posted June 8, 2013 Author Report Share Posted June 8, 2013 I woulden't wear this if I were you. You can cook a stir fry in there, plus the dial is really bad. Just have to look at the second markers. I will guess its an old noob factory, as even new noob factories have messed up second markers that don't make contact with the rehaut; which nobody seems to mention. Haha nice Papa! Would you believe several non watch enthusiast thought this was GEN. Shows how much we sweat over getting called out for nothing. Most people don't have a clue! I won't be wearing it. It's a friends who wanted me to find out as much as possible about it and possibly sell it. Myself I'm waiting for a famous TC LV SUB! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indywatchguy Posted June 8, 2013 Author Report Share Posted June 8, 2013 IF it does have a Gen Swiss eta movement what would be a fair price on this one? It winds butter smooth and the crown works nicely. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SSTEEL Posted June 8, 2013 Report Share Posted June 8, 2013 Open it up, and lets see Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ceocorona Posted June 8, 2013 Report Share Posted June 8, 2013 Open it up, and lets see +1 haha. That rehaut is a huge tell. As someone mentioned already have you could cook stir fry in that case Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kbh Posted June 8, 2013 Report Share Posted June 8, 2013 "Winds smooth as butter" sounds like A21j movement. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
panerai153 Posted June 8, 2013 Report Share Posted June 8, 2013 I don't have and eddie lee (EL) 16610, but here is a 16613 that is definitely and EL. If yours is and EL, it would have an ETA movement, because when these came out, there were no Chinese clone movements (Around 20005/2006) IF you open it up and it's a 21j clone, then it's later and not an EL. EL's didn't have gen like construction, will not take a gen crystal, nor a better aftermarket or gen bezel. You can swap the dial, crown/tube and insert for genuine, but that's as far as you can go. I wish your photo was bigger and more close up, my tired old eyes don't see as well as they once did, but I don't think this is and EL, first the minute hand is awful, look at the width, it looks almost like the later hands on the GMTIIC and the 116610, you need to open the back, but honestly, this one isn't from one of the makers that I'm familiar with. I don't think any of the older watches had hands like this, thick surrounds and the minute track too far in toward the center. Here is a gen 16610 from that same era, actually this one is a "P" serial from 2000 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiseguy1481 Posted June 8, 2013 Report Share Posted June 8, 2013 +1 haha. That rehaut is a huge tell. As someone mentioned already have you could cook stir fry in that case +2... If this has a gen movement I will buy it from you right now!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indywatchguy Posted June 8, 2013 Author Report Share Posted June 8, 2013 Ok wise I'll send it to MD2020 for a look over and we'll talk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indywatchguy Posted June 8, 2013 Author Report Share Posted June 8, 2013 Panerai I think you make be on to something. My buddie bought this around 2006 and the guy said it was Swiss. It's definitely NOT 21j movement. It sweeps waaaaay to smoothly! This could be an Eddie Lee. The weight is on point and I compared the band to a TC combo V2 V3 and there was very little difference. It's actually a pretty solid built watch and keeps great time! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indywatchguy Posted June 8, 2013 Author Report Share Posted June 8, 2013 +2... If this has a gen movement I will buy it from you right now!! Lol do you mean Gen Swiss ETA? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indywatchguy Posted June 8, 2013 Author Report Share Posted June 8, 2013 "Winds smooth as butter" sounds like A21j movement. Definitely not Asian 21j. This baby winds like my Gen 2824 and SW200 and the sweep is the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indywatchguy Posted June 8, 2013 Author Report Share Posted June 8, 2013 Open it up, and lets see It's on super tight and the ball trick isn't working(that's what she said) lol I don't have a Rollie opener either so off to MD it goes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indywatchguy Posted June 8, 2013 Author Report Share Posted June 8, 2013 I personally know that this is NOT a TC build. The hour markers are too thick (silver round markers). The SEL fitment is also not as GEN like as the TC. Also, the cyclops magnification does not seem to be all that good as the date does not fill up the cyclops... Obviously the crown and insert as you already mentioned. I am not sure WHERE its from but its not one of the BEST such as a TC. My .2 cents.... This is what a TC should look like (gen crystal, insert, crown): Is this for sale?????? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indywatchguy Posted June 8, 2013 Author Report Share Posted June 8, 2013 I don't have and eddie lee (EL) 16610, but here is a 16613 that is definitely and EL. If yours is and EL, it would have an ETA movement, because when these came out, there were no Chinese clone movements (Around 20005/2006) IF you open it up and it's a 21j clone, then it's later and not an EL. EL's didn't have gen like construction, will not take a gen crystal, nor a better aftermarket or gen bezel. You can swap the dial, crown/tube and insert for genuine, but that's as far as you can go. I wish your photo was bigger and more close up, my tired old eyes don't see as well as they once did, but I don't think this is and EL, first the minute hand is awful, look at the width, it looks almost like the later hands on the GMTIIC and the 116610, you need to open the back, but honestly, this one isn't from one of the makers that I'm familiar with. I don't think any of the older watches had hands like this, thick surrounds and the minute track too far in toward the center.16613 before 2a.jpg Here is a gen 16610 from that same era, actually this one is a "P" serial from 200016610a.jpg Correct me if im wrong panerai But remember wasn't the 2006 50th anniversary the first Rollie with larger hour markers and hands??? So the rep should have the same?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
indywatchguy Posted June 8, 2013 Author Report Share Posted June 8, 2013 Check out the hands on this one. Seems pretty close but my minute hand appears a tad bit longer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flin0310 Posted June 8, 2013 Report Share Posted June 8, 2013 When I saw that pic, I sensed it's a GEN LV, no kidding!!...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wiseguy1481 Posted June 8, 2013 Report Share Posted June 8, 2013 Check out the hands on this one. Seems pretty close but my minute hand appears a tad bit longer. hahaha... that is my picture and WAS my watch until this last week.... I sold the watch to another member on the board. He got it today and LOVES IT!!! Good thing I had two of them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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