GenTLe Posted June 22, 2014 Report Share Posted June 22, 2014 POS = Piece Of [censored] LOL Name approved for me too! Funnily enough, since I purchased a BP GMT II Pro Hunter from Andrew, that comes with a modified 2836-2, I asked him about these problems with the POS clone. His reply has been: "Its not the BP factory. Just that some dealers they want to earn more by scamming customers. I work very closely with the BP factory and they never dare to do that." I'd like now to understand what he means by dealers: some of the subcontractor? Other dealers like other TDs we have here? It looks a bit odd sentence to me... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fitmic Posted June 22, 2014 Report Share Posted June 22, 2014 I guess he means other dealers like in TDs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GenTLe Posted June 22, 2014 Report Share Posted June 22, 2014 Uhm... So, his friend Josh as more than one of these crap came from that TD? The more I go on with this hobby, the less I trust the trusted... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jkay Posted June 22, 2014 Report Share Posted June 22, 2014 Maybe I am misunderstanding something, but a high beat 2813 is a 4813. There is no high beat 2813 .. it's a 4813. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GenTLe Posted June 22, 2014 Report Share Posted June 22, 2014 Maybe I am misunderstanding something, but a high beat 2813 is a 4813. There is no high beat 2813 .. it's a 4813. Yes, here we're not speaking about the DG4813, but instead about a new kind of very bad quality ETA 2836 clone. Someone calls it new breed 2813, someone else new breed clone of the clone. I'd just call it POS movement... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kbh Posted June 23, 2014 Report Share Posted June 23, 2014 The actual DG4813 is a decent movement. I've still got one in my old Regmariner, TTK Noobmariner from years ago. It's definitely not the same thing as the new POS movement, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jkay Posted June 23, 2014 Report Share Posted June 23, 2014 Yes, here we're not speaking about the DG4813, but instead about a new kind of very bad quality ETA 2836 clone. Someone calls it new breed 2813, someone else new breed clone of the clone. I'd just call it POS movement... Oh I see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JR003 Posted July 13, 2014 Report Share Posted July 13, 2014 Sorry for pulling this topic back up... I also have one of these Liquid Metal Ti PO's and want to confirm if I have an ETA 2836 as ordered or one of these new clones. However, I am quite a noobie when in come to movements. Could somebody please clearly show me how I can recognize the dial feet clamps? I have show pictures of the screws in this new clone, but I don't know what it should look like in the ETA / 2836.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GenTLe Posted July 13, 2014 Report Share Posted July 13, 2014 Look here. Colour code: blue = screws and sheets that keep the movement in the case red = screws used to retain the dial and indicating the bad movement green = clasp used to retain the dial indicating gen or proper clone of ETA Bad movements: Good ones: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JR003 Posted July 15, 2014 Report Share Posted July 15, 2014 Very good! thanks a lot! Just confirmed my PO Ti has an A2836! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bc1221 Posted August 7, 2014 Report Share Posted August 7, 2014 (edited) seems a lot of people are getting tricked in to these movements. if you ordered a high beat 2813 or whatever they call it, thats one thing but to pay for a ETA clone and get this.. id be [censored]. glad your TD is trying to sort things out. i do have a cartel 1680 coming with one of these "new breed high beat movements". so are they not interchangeable with a ETA clone? (hands, dial feet positions..etc) if i wanted to swap out to a ETA clone, would i have to cut the dial feet and get new hands? Edited August 7, 2014 by Bc1221 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GenTLe Posted August 7, 2014 Report Share Posted August 7, 2014 BC: unfortunately yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bc1221 Posted August 8, 2014 Report Share Posted August 8, 2014 Ok got my watch and my movement looks exactly like a 2813. Has the WO logo by the balance when and everything. It's def ticking at 28,8 though according to kello and the timeogrpaher QC pics. Def sounds like a high beat. So... If I have to replace this movement, it should be a direct swap with a 2813 right? I guess these are what they call the 4813? These fake high beats are the main reason why I didn't even bother ordering a clone. I'd rather order the cheapie and get the cheapie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GenTLe Posted August 9, 2014 Report Share Posted August 9, 2014 (edited) These fake high beats are the main reason why I didn't even bother ordering a clone. I'd rather order the cheapie and get the cheapie. Well... Depend where you buy... I'm at my 10th REP and never got one of them... By the way it's not a 4813. It is named Z2xxxxx. Where xxxx is the rest of the name which I don't remember now... Edited August 9, 2014 by GenTLe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bc1221 Posted August 9, 2014 Report Share Posted August 9, 2014 Yea. True but a few factories have been caught using the new breed bs and selling them as clones. BP did with a fee models. I think j12 and noob did as well. I hope this isn't a trend. We need to shut this bait and switch thing down before it get bad. People who have need to learn about it and speak up IMO. TDs just take the factories word for it. Never open them and check. I know they're running out of ETAs but surely they're not running out of clones. They make them! My guess is since ETAs are running low, they're raising prices on clones so factories who need them just buy the similar high best bc that's what the forum members ask for. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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