Kime Posted November 3, 2014 Report Share Posted November 3, 2014 I read many threads last night, one epic 10k build (wow) but still didn't really get the answers for these questions... (I am lightly modding a cartel 6265) 1. What is the correct crown for a 6265 (702 or 703) 2. Does the cartel case have a compatible tube for a gen crown or does it need to be replaced 3. Are these taps correct for a gen crown and pushers? 7020 tube M3 x 0.35 B24 P302 Pusher M2.5 x 0.25 4. What is the Spring bar diameter (body and pin) for a Daytona gen 19mm bars? (I assume 2mm sub type bars are not correct?) 5. What is the correct drill bit diam for Daytona spring bars lug holes 1.2mm? 6. Is a Clarks T21 plexi far superior to the cartel? Thanks for any help guys! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kime Posted November 4, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 4, 2014 Ah... nobody knows... Ok I will bump for just one question... can probably work the rest out.. What is the Spring bar diameter (body and pin) for Daytona gen 19mm bars? (2mm sub type bars do not seem correct) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ww12345 Posted November 4, 2014 Report Share Posted November 4, 2014 I'll take a stab at them ( though my answers might be off): 1. Just 703, I think. 702 was a tad too early. 2. Don't know but probably not. 3. Not sure - always paid someone else to do it. 4. Yes, I believe that is correct. 5. Not sure. 6. Undoubtedly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kbh Posted November 4, 2014 Report Share Posted November 4, 2014 Good crown and tube info: http://www.jewelryandwatch.com/contents/en-us/d89.html 24-700 was gen spec but they have often been replaced at the factory with later 7mm crowns, so it's not critical. Clark's T21 is a very nice crystal but I'm not familiar with the Cartel so I can't help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lhooq Posted November 4, 2014 Report Share Posted November 4, 2014 I'll answer the ones I know for sure: 1. For a 6265, 700/702/703 are all period-correct, depending on the year. 703 is the most common by far. 4. 1.8mm body, 0.9mm pivots. The gen Daytona bars are flangeless, double-shouldered. 5. No. Daytona lug holes are smaller than Sub/Explorer holes i.e. <1mm. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alligoat Posted November 4, 2014 Report Share Posted November 4, 2014 1. 702 crown and tube were in use until around 1980. 703 came after that 2. Best to just replace the cartel tube 3. Tap sizes are correct- but you may have to watch the pushers that you use- some use the 2.5mm x .20 thread pitch 4-5. I don't know but I'd figure they're similar to the 19mm Date/etc. spring bars and lugholes.were certainly smaller than the subs and GMT- moire like the 20mm Datejust 6. Clarks, G-S and Sternkruz crystals would all be good Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kime Posted November 4, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 4, 2014 Thanks guys, the differences listed here on 702/203 is why I was getting confused. I am going to go with 703, which brings another question, is the tap the same? Bars: thanks lhooq, Ofrei has these, they seem to follow what you said... "Double shoulder type body length is 18.6 mm and diameter is 1.8 mm with pivot diameter 0.88 that are 2.0 mm long" After measuring, the cartel appears to come with these same size bars (1.8/0.9) and a rough measurement of the lug holes comes back with 1.1mm. So maybe just a redrill to get the edges of the holes a bit sharper. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kbh Posted November 4, 2014 Report Share Posted November 4, 2014 Just be aware that the gen tube needs to be countersunk at the shoulder of the hole for proper fit of the tube Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dieselpower Posted November 4, 2014 Report Share Posted November 4, 2014 Calling freddy333, calling freddy333..... do you read me freddy333? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbane883 Posted November 5, 2014 Report Share Posted November 5, 2014 Yes, 703 tube requires M3x.35 tap Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freddy333 Posted November 5, 2014 Report Share Posted November 5, 2014 Sorry, I do not know the tap size/dimensions (I use the Rolex taps, which are unmarked), but I can tell you that if the bottom of the gen tube is beveled (as opposed to flat), the case hole should be countersunk. Click me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kime Posted November 5, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 5, 2014 Thanks for the info and link freddy... do you know where to get one of those tapered internal spline tools for removing tubes? I have 2 sizes neither fit the tubes I have, tapered seems like a great idea but I can't find one anywhere ! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alligoat Posted November 5, 2014 Report Share Posted November 5, 2014 I bought a tool for removing tubes on ebay- it had 3-4 ends which you put in the handle and could then turn the tube out. It's an AF tool and I don't know how you'd ever find it again- this was 6-7 years ago. Rat tail files are good- just jam them in there and turn counterclockwise to remove a tube. Sometimes heat will help- it'll melt epoxy and other types of glue. Ofrei sells a tube wrench for installing the modern Rolex tubes- this is a handy tool to have for installing the 703 tube. The 3.0mm x .35 tap is also a good tool for cleaning the threads in the case before installing a new tube. I've even broke the rat tail file off removing the tube from my PT 1665. But after that, installing a gen-like aftermarket 703 tube was easy! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbane883 Posted November 5, 2014 Report Share Posted November 5, 2014 I just use a triangular diamond file if the tube wrench I have doesn't fit. Never a problem with extraction Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kime Posted November 5, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 5, 2014 I just use a triangular diamond file if the tube wrench I have doesn't fit. Never a problem with extraction What about for fitting, does this not damage the internal spline teeth when tightening? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbane883 Posted November 5, 2014 Report Share Posted November 5, 2014 The wrench I have is made for the 703 gen tubes. If I'm extracting a rep tube, it will be tossed out. Extracting a gen 702/700 requires a file like this because it has no splines (gen 702/700 tubes are broached smooth after installation). Either a triangular file or vice grip. I choose the file. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kime Posted November 5, 2014 Author Report Share Posted November 5, 2014 Ah ok, got it, I didn't know they did that on gens. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dbane883 Posted November 5, 2014 Report Share Posted November 5, 2014 Installing a gen 702 is one of the weirdest things. If you ever install one, you will know what I mean. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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