SUPER AP DIVER REP - Where can I purchase the best?

[3535]

Hello all - This is my first post ever. I want to purchase the absolute best AP Diver Rep that is available. I have heard InTime and PureTime (not sure which dealer is better???) are the two best dealers. I am looking at these two watches: 

 

http://www.intime.co/audemars-piguet/1627-royal-oak-offshore-diver-swiss-eta2824-v7-.html

http://puretime01.com/watch-brands/audemars-piguet/royal-oak-offshore-diver/royal-oak-offshore-diver-11-v8-jf-best-edition-on-rubber-strap-a3120.html#

 

They both seem okay - the decoration on the movement isn't the same as a GEN but the rest is okay (I wonder why they are priced differently). Can anyone recommend the BEST dealer or best place to buy a SUPER rep. I am willing to spend up to $700.00 on one. 

 

Thank you in advance to whoever helps me out here!

[mule play]

Either one is a fine dealer.  Movement decoration should matter less to you since it is a solid caseback.  This v7, I believe, is the best version.  Your only upgrade might be a Legend date wheel and a Tissot Powermatic movement swap to 21,600 bpm.

[3535]

@mule play Thank you for your help. In your opinion if I choose one like this (it has a clear caseback):

 

http://puretime01.com/watch-brands/audemars-piguet/royal-oak-offshore-diver/royal-oak-offshore-diver-15710-jf-best-edition-white-dial-on-black-rubber-strap-a3120.html#

 

Is the clear case back more of a tell that it is a rep ? If so I plan on going with a solid caseback (not sure who would want to purchase one with a clear caseback in that case)

 

Also - You said the V7 is the best version. To clarify, this is the one from InTime:

http://www.intime.co/audemars-piguet/1627-royal-oak-offshore-diver-swiss-eta2824-v7-.html

 

This is better than the V8 from PureTime? 

 

http://puretime01.com/watch-brands/audemars-piguet/royal-oak-offshore-diver/royal-oak-offshore-diver-11-v8-jf-best-edition-on-rubber-strap-a3120.html#

 

 

Thank you for helping me!!! 

[3535]

Anyone ???

[mule play]

I personally like the solid caseback version....and thus own one. My reasoning is that if/when the movement dies or I decide to invest in a swap....the Tissot Powermatic will be dropped in. I do not need to worry about the view so to speak.

I would purchase the intime version for $538 and follow the new date wheel thread in this forum. Also, start lookong for a powermatic movement to drop in.

[3535]

@mule play did you do a double AR? Do you recommend doing a double AR coating? I want my AP to look as shinny as possible

[mule play]

2 hours ago, 3535 said:

@mule play did you do a double AR? Do you recommend doing a double AR coating? I want my AP to look as shinny as possible

I did not....yet.  I have mine factory stock at this time.

[swissentrecote]

i've made a Douple AR on both Crystals.
it looks like there's no class inside.
I've also installed a selita 200 movement and its waterproofed on 40m
Its the v6 version.


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[martijnp]

Go for the closed caseback, I would say take the JF V7.

I've got my AP Diver Noob V5 with stock AR. I've got a JF V7 on the way also getting a 2xAR for the watch.. 

[swissentrecote]

which modds are also required to eliminate the official flaws?



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[indywatchguy]

Noob V4 AP FC Diver stock!


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[Legend]

The diver reps, both stainless steel and forged carbon, and even the ceramic, have been touted as the best out of the box AP reps in the hobby. 

And yes, that is true if you look at the number of flaws in the ROO chronograph series. 

But yet, closely replicated as they are, flaws still exist in the diver reps. For the sake of brevity, let us run through the list of flaws 

 

Movement:

The previous generation of reps uses the A2824 movement, which beats at 28800bph, but is better and more reliable than the current generation of miyota powered replicas. Miyotas can be noisy when the watch is shaken, and cheap looking/sounding. However they are fairly reliable too, and easily replaced. The gen uses a low beat 21600bph caliber 3120 AP movement. The beat difference is hardly noticeable on the wrist between 28800bph and 21600bph unless you have them side and side, and scrutinize closely. The beat of the rep movement can be modded to 21600bph as well. 

 

Dial

The gen diver dial is glossy and more intricate in details, and the rep is somewhat glossed over, but not to the same extent. The difference is hardly noticeable again, but the rep dial can be gloss-finished by hand to look like the gen. Of course, dial print is sharper on the genuine diver, but not by much compared with the V7 diver.

 

Inner dive bezel

For the stainless steel, the lume construction for the numbers are significantly different, and this is a noticeable difference once pointed out to someone. 

For the FC, the numbers on the inner bezel are closer to genuine.

 

Hands

There is a slight difference between the shine and finish of the genuine hands vs the replica ones. But not enough to warrant any modification.

 

Datewheel

The genuine watch (before the i series) uses a serif font which the Noob (first v4 batch and earlier) replicates well. The font is nonetheless slightly smaller than the gen one. This can be fixed by installing an aftermarket datewheel.

 

Case construction

No significant difference between gen and rep here for the recent models. Any perceivable difference would not be something you can spot on the wrist. The rep FC case can be polished and buffed a little to look better, but not necessarily closer to gen. The FC material is rather organic, and each case looks different from the rest. I have seen a variety of finishes for the genuine FC cases. The glossed up pictures on the internet makes us all paranoid at times, but if you have a chance to take a look at FC case finishing on the genuine, you will be surprised at how flat (little or no marbling) some will look.

 

Bezel screws

It is a myth that bezel screws on the genuine diver are always sunken and aligned. This is not true at all, I have seen genuine divers that look otherwise. The bezel screws on the replica can be carefully aligned, polished and sunken evenly for aesthetic purposes. 

 

Crystal

Bear in mind, that the gen comes with a single AR crystal. Applying double AR on a replica does enhance the look of the dial, but does not make it more accurate looking. This is a personal choice for the owner, and nothing right or wrong about it.

 

Straps

The rep rubber straps are decent, but with the host of aftermarket straps available, many choices are available at the owner's disposal. 

 

So when one mentions "best diver that money can buy", it is subjective to each owner with regards to what "best" means. 

 

 

 

 

 

Here is a fully modded diver. I’ve converted it from a miyota movement to an ETA low beat one and retained the hands.
Notice the dial finish, the case finish and the datewheel.
I consider this a reasonable rendition of the stainless steel diver without going franken or gen.




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[Sogeha]

The Oracle has spoken

[rendra.rusdi]

 

The diver reps, both stainless steel and forged carbon, and even the ceramic, have been touted as the best out of the box AP reps in the hobby. 

And yes, that is true if you look at the number of flaws in the ROO chronograph series. 

But yet, closely replicated as they are, flaws still exist in the diver reps. For the sake of brevity, let us run through the list of flaws 

 

Movement:

The previous generation of reps uses the A2824 movement, which beats at 28800bph, but is better and more reliable than the current generation of miyota powered replicas. Miyotas can be noisy when the watch is shaken, and cheap looking/sounding. However they are fairly reliable too, and easily replaced. The gen uses a low beat 21600bph caliber 3120 AP movement. The beat difference is hardly noticeable on the wrist between 28800bph and 21600bph unless you have them side and side, and scrutinize closely. The beat of the rep movement can be modded to 21600bph as well. 

 

Dial

The gen diver dial is glossy and more intricate in details, and the rep is somewhat glossed over, but not to the same extent. The difference is hardly noticeable again, but the rep dial can be gloss-finished by hand to look like the gen. Of course, dial print is sharper on the genuine diver, but not by much compared with the V7 diver.

 

Inner dive bezel

For the stainless steel, the lume construction for the numbers are significantly different, and this is a noticeable difference once pointed out to someone. 

For the FC, the numbers on the inner bezel are closer to genuine.

 

Hands

There is a slight difference between the shine and finish of the genuine hands vs the replica ones. But not enough to warrant any modification.

 

Datewheel

The genuine watch (before the i series) uses a serif font which the Noob (first v4 batch and earlier) replicates well. The font is nonetheless slightly smaller than the gen one. This can be fixed by installing an aftermarket datewheel.

 

Case construction

No significant difference between gen and rep here for the recent models. Any perceivable difference would not be something you can spot on the wrist. The rep FC case can be polished and buffed a little to look better, but not necessarily closer to gen. The FC material is rather organic, and each case looks different from the rest. I have seen a variety of finishes for the genuine FC cases. The glossed up pictures on the internet makes us all paranoid at times, but if you have a chance to take a look at FC case finishing on the genuine, you will be surprised at how flat (little or no marbling) some will look.

 

Bezel screws

It is a myth that bezel screws on the genuine diver are always sunken and aligned. This is not true at all, I have seen genuine divers that look otherwise. The bezel screws on the replica can be carefully aligned, polished and sunken evenly for aesthetic purposes. 

 

Crystal

Bear in mind, that the gen comes with a single AR crystal. Applying double AR on a replica does enhance the look of the dial, but does not make it more accurate looking. This is a personal choice for the owner, and nothing right or wrong about it.

 

Straps

The rep rubber straps are decent, but with the host of aftermarket straps available, many choices are available at the owner's disposal. 

 

So when one mentions "best diver that money can buy", it is subjective to each owner with regards to what "best" means. 

 

 

 

 

 

Here is a fully modded diver. I’ve converted it from a miyota movement to an ETA low beat one and retained the hands.
Notice the dial finish, the case finish and the datewheel.
I consider this a reasonable rendition of the stainless steel diver without going franken or gen.




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Howdy neighbor! Read a few of yr threads so far. Were rather similar in the sense that i was born here but grew up in IDN, France, Holland and the US on account that my father served in the Diplomatic Corps.

Enough about of me, i really want to commend yr work on the hobby and the AP in particular. Any chance u can PM me what u would sell it for? i understand u order a bunch to work on and sell?