RickFlorida Posted January 28, 2018 Report Share Posted January 28, 2018 With laser cutting, 3d Printing, high resolution scanning, and I would think Patents expiring on the 1520 and 1570 Movements... I don't understand why we don't have a clone of those movements yet. Why do I see more and more 2824 and 2836 clones popping up but we have no 1570 or 1520 movements? There are like 5 or 6 different factories now making exact ETA 2824 or 2836 clones. Is that because ETA helped them by giving them the tooling? There would be a huge market for aftermarket 1570 movement parts. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drummania Posted January 29, 2018 Report Share Posted January 29, 2018 The demand is not enough. Most general public isn’t interested in vintage watches. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
QueTip Posted January 29, 2018 Report Share Posted January 29, 2018 Right. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rower Posted January 29, 2018 Report Share Posted January 29, 2018 2 hours ago, Drummania said: The demand is not enough. Most general public isn’t interested in vintage watches. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk That’s why the Paul Neuman went so cheap! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RickFlorida Posted January 29, 2018 Author Report Share Posted January 29, 2018 I kind of get why there is a clone 3135 since for "new sales" in the rep world, having a clone 3135 makes sense for selling complete rep. watches. However, if there is no demand for clone 1520 or 1570 movements or at least parts of them... then why is there such a demand for 2836 or 2824 clones to such a point that we now have at least 5 or 6 different factories churning them out like there is no tomorrow. The 2836 is just about as old and outdated as a 1570 to me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dpap Posted January 29, 2018 Report Share Posted January 29, 2018 I have the same question about v72 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alligoat Posted January 29, 2018 Report Share Posted January 29, 2018 Bear in mind the 1520/1570 movements are over 30 years old. Same with the V72. There's just no interest in producing outdated movements- way too costly with slim chances of recouping your investment. And the 2824/2836 can be produced for probably less than $50. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RickFlorida Posted January 29, 2018 Author Report Share Posted January 29, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, alligoat said: Bear in mind the 1520/1570 movements are over 30 years old. Same with the V72. There's just no interest in producing outdated movements- way too costly with slim chances of recouping your investment. And the 2824/2836 can be produced for probably less than $50. You mean the 2824 or 2836 would be less complicated to reproduce than a 1520/70? I'm an idiot about watch making but the 1520/70 does not appear more complicated than a 2824 or 2836 but I could be wrong. Edited January 29, 2018 by RickFlorida Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drummania Posted January 29, 2018 Report Share Posted January 29, 2018 The initial r&d cost of a movement is high. The IWC PR movement cost factory $3m (18m RMB yuan) to rep. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmb Posted January 29, 2018 Report Share Posted January 29, 2018 I don't think "complication" is the issue. Although I would love to see the 1570 repped I understand why they don't do it. Parts suppliers tell me that most factories are primarily interested in producing what is "hot" right now and don't put much priority on "vintage" stuff. This was the reason I was given to explain why I had to wait 8-10 months to get my last batch of 2824 DJ cases. That being said if there is a petition going around to present to get a 1570 repped I'll gladly sign it! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RickFlorida Posted January 29, 2018 Author Report Share Posted January 29, 2018 3 hours ago, Drummania said: The initial r&d cost of a movement is high. The IWC PR movement cost factory $3m (18m RMB yuan) to rep. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk Then I wonder if the 5 or 6 different factories that are cranking out 2836's and 2824's were given the tooling by ETA on loan or did they really make all of their own tooling and dies? I know the Yuki 3135 clone is a different ballgame as it is made in small batches, more by hand in a small shop or factory I assume. But can't another small shop start making 1570's? 3d printing directly in metal is not accurate enough yet but it will be soon. At that time, if we get the specs of each part, or at least the some of the parts... we can begin making them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Drummania Posted January 30, 2018 Report Share Posted January 30, 2018 Factories should have their own capability to manufacture 2824 and 2836s. It's not a question of capability, but whether it makes business sense to do so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
propergains Posted June 30, 2022 Report Share Posted June 30, 2022 a nice replacement for a 1520 movement is a 2620, If you want a 2824-2 to work as a no-date (2 crown positions only) you will have to replace the original setting lever with one from an ETA 2801-2 ... 2801-2 is a manual wind no-date movement and its setting lever jumper fits perfectly on a 2824-2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmythree Posted July 1, 2022 Report Share Posted July 1, 2022 If someone wanted to make a batch of good quality 19800 or 21600 bph movements with the same hand sizes, date position, and dial foot location as a 15xx rlx (with quick set) it would probably sell. It would not have to look like a rlx, just act like one. Also make it quick set without a 'click' in the date setting position, just find the date set position by feel and make it hack or not hack by removing the hack lever like an ETA. Make a GMT too! I can't remember having an ETA 2620, I'll hunt one up. 17jewels.info: ETA 2620R 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
propergains Posted July 1, 2022 Report Share Posted July 1, 2022 one can dream, until then ill be using a 2824 with the 2801 mod, it works great if youre making a 5512/5513 no date submariner. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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