Logan Posted March 24, 2007 Report Share Posted March 24, 2007 Beautiful.. now why can't the rep guys get the damm crown guard made properly? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
babola Posted March 24, 2007 Report Share Posted March 24, 2007 (edited) Good one Flav mate, also a good chance for others (seniors and noobs alike) to spot some of the most obvious differences between 111 sandwich dial gen and rep...and for some that used to send me PMs like "...what are you going on about babola, the 111H rep is perfect !?..." Kosta will surely know what I mean of course... he's had both gen and rep for some time and is more than aware about the rep's flaws. - numbers 2, 3 and 6 are quite different - Panerai changed the shape in 2005 on their first sandwich dial Luminor series - as most of us know by now, dial txt is off-white/salmon/cream color NOT white as on 111H rep - txt 'Luminor Marina' is larger on rep, the font is bigger in size, and strangely enough bigger than the 'Panerai' txt above 6 o'clock - L Swiss Made L is wrong size and wider on the rep than it should be, also too close to number 6 - obvious thin crown and CG issues on the rep - caseback is thinner than on gens...Kosta was the first one to identify this 'feature' - case on the rep is different, lugs are thicker and shorter, also there's a cutout on the rep case between the lugs to accomodate thicker straps...gens don't have that. - A/R coat on gen is transparent...colourless...some reps carry blueish or pinkish crystal hue, not great but does the job That said - the 111H rep is a lovely watch, and on its own holds an admirable presence...until you start comparing it side by side, of course cheers, babola Edited March 25, 2007 by babola Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavor flav Posted March 25, 2007 Author Report Share Posted March 25, 2007 - A/R coat on gen is transparent...colourless...some reps carry blueish or pinkish crystal hue, not great but does the job babola actually, the gen has a bluish tint exactly the same as the rep! as for the dial font, i may practice changing the color of the font on the rep dial and maybe offer that in the future with my mod packages. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
babola Posted March 25, 2007 Report Share Posted March 25, 2007 actually, the gen has a bluish tint exactly the same as the rep! as for the dial font, i may practice changing the color of the font on the rep dial and maybe offer that in the future with my mod packages. HA ! Panerai uses 'double standards' ! LOL ! ...and I love my 111H rep with blueish A/R even more now So I was @ my AD store last week checking the Logo Base (PAM000), I was surprised at the quality of A/R ...and guess what - it didn't have any tint at all, whatsoever - completely transparent. Also, there are some Paneristi from the gen forum who recently purchased gen Luminor PAMs and reported the blueish tint ...hmm, mind boggles doesn't it At leat one thing is costant with Panerai - their products are never 'constant'...and product finishes vary even from one series to another. cheers mate, babola Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vaccum Posted March 25, 2007 Report Share Posted March 25, 2007 So maybe the lume is not the same on all models Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
V Posted March 25, 2007 Report Share Posted March 25, 2007 AR is not the same on every model.. Member of the forum and good friend has sold his 111H (not I ) because he had a GREENISH tint AR and he didnt liked it. He bought an I series 112 with bluish tint and he was happy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavor flav Posted March 25, 2007 Author Report Share Posted March 25, 2007 So maybe the lume is not the same on all models sandwich dials seem more c1ish and sausage dials seem more c3ish but both look different. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
babola Posted March 25, 2007 Report Share Posted March 25, 2007 (edited) Lume is not the same on every model.. Member of the forum and good friend has sold his 111H (not I ) because he had a GREENISH tint AR and he didnt liked it. He bought an I series 112 with bluish tint and he was happy It almost feels like 111 and 112 gen dials are made/lumed by two different factories... This is one of the reasons I like PAM reps...you can never say one is 100% 'wrong' over another...even gens are all different, anyway. cheers, babola Edited March 25, 2007 by babola Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vaccum Posted March 25, 2007 Report Share Posted March 25, 2007 The key point here is that our reps are very close to the gen counterpart. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavor flav Posted March 25, 2007 Author Report Share Posted March 25, 2007 The key point here is that our reps are very close to the gen counterpart. very close! imagine if we can get gen dials and crowngaurds...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
babola Posted March 25, 2007 Report Share Posted March 25, 2007 very close! imagine if we can get gen dials and crowngaurds...... ...and the funny thing is - that shouldn't be that hard to achieve, at all ! cheers, babola Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
eunomians Posted March 25, 2007 Report Share Posted March 25, 2007 Nice comparison pics. This makes for a nice reference point, so to speak. Enjoy your watch! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pubus Posted March 25, 2007 Report Share Posted March 25, 2007 yeah, gens are gens no doubt. Great watch mate, best choice. Wear it well and keep us posted its pics Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
V Posted March 25, 2007 Report Share Posted March 25, 2007 SOrry guys I meant the AR is not the same and not the Lume Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Category 5 Posted March 26, 2007 Report Share Posted March 26, 2007 Congrats Flav. I too have a gen 11 on the way, only mine will be a J. THe dealer offered it to us at the current price instead of the 10% increase, and with an extra strap and additional 2 years of warranty so how could I resist. Of course, jealousy may have had a bit to do with it. Your pics are kinda like the activity books where they challenge you to find the differences between two pictures. You did a great job with your mods. What do you mean about the beat of the gen being faster? Are they not both 17,600 bph? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
babola Posted March 26, 2007 Report Share Posted March 26, 2007 Congrats Flav. I too have a gen 11 on the way, only mine will be a J. THe dealer offered it to us at the current price instead of the 10% increase, and with an extra strap and additional 2 years of warranty so how could I resist. Of course, jealousy may have had a bit to do with it. Your pics are kinda like the activity books where they challenge you to find the differences between two pictures. You did a great job with your mods. What do you mean about the beat of the gen being faster? Are they not both 17,600 bph? Gen Luminor PAMs come with 6497-2 mov't with higher beat of 21,000bph. ...reps in the same category on the other hand come with either Swiss or Asian ETA 6497-1 (17,600bph), or Asian-only 6497-2 with higher beat. cheers, babola Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BigSlickAK Posted March 26, 2007 Report Share Posted March 26, 2007 Hey congrats flavor flav! Wear it well! Love the 111i! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pam-O-licious Posted March 26, 2007 Report Share Posted March 26, 2007 Wow, 2 Fantastic Watches... Congras to you Flav and the new Owner of your modded 11H! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pman Posted March 26, 2007 Report Share Posted March 26, 2007 I'm glad I could help to make a contribution to your watch. Wear it well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavor flav Posted March 27, 2007 Author Report Share Posted March 27, 2007 I'm glad I could help to make a contribution to your watch. Wear it well. thanks pman! couldn't have got it without you. enjoy your lume Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TK471 Posted April 3, 2007 Report Share Posted April 3, 2007 I can't believe I'm just seeing this for the first time! Congrats, it looks great! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RS TDI Posted April 4, 2007 Report Share Posted April 4, 2007 Nice, Nice, Nice Regards RS TDI Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watchmeister Posted April 4, 2007 Report Share Posted April 4, 2007 They both look fabulous. Wear it well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
archibald Posted April 5, 2007 Report Share Posted April 5, 2007 Even a Paneristi would notice the fit and finish difference between rep and gen many seconds before any of the flaws we obsess about (aside from the joke of a crown guard the chinese insist on putting on the H series reps). I know it's a bummer, but fit and finish is the easiest rep/gen tell and it's the flaw that will never get fixed. The upside, at least when it comes to PAMs, is that 99% of the humans on earth can't even pronounce the brand name let alone assess where the L-Swiss-L is supposed to go. Flav bought the gen because he knows it's a gen which, IMO, is the only reason to buy a gen. A rep will fool everyone who doesn't know anything about watches, and nobody who does. Wear it well, buddy! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
flavor flav Posted April 6, 2007 Author Report Share Posted April 6, 2007 Even a Paneristi would notice the fit and finish difference between rep and gen many seconds before any of the flaws we obsess about (aside from the joke of a crown guard the chinese insist on putting on the H series reps). I know it's a bummer, but fit and finish is the easiest rep/gen tell and it's the flaw that will never get fixed. The upside, at least when it comes to PAMs, is that 99% of the humans on earth can't even pronounce the brand name let alone assess where the L-Swiss-L is supposed to go. Flav bought the gen because he knows it's a gen which, IMO, is the only reason to buy a gen. A rep will fool everyone who doesn't know anything about watches, and nobody who does. Wear it well, buddy! exactly right! once you correct as many flaws you can trying to build the perfect watch over and over and over pretty soon you snap and say.....why not just buy the perfect watch?? no regrets! the gen is incredible quality which is something i can appreciate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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