Victoria Posted October 11, 2007 Report Share Posted October 11, 2007 And more importantly for us, do you think they'll make a rep out of it? Info: Called the "Luminor 1950 Tourbillon GMT". Price: U$98,000 or 79,000 Euro. Limited run of 100 pieces per year. BTW, the tourbillon is seen "at work" in the front by the blue dot going round and round the seconds sub-dial. Detailed Specs: hxxp://www.thewatchquote.com/Panerai-Luminor-1950-Tourbillon-GMT-No_6181.htm (change xx to tt) Thoughts: Eh. Doesn't sing to me. You? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmg Posted October 11, 2007 Report Share Posted October 11, 2007 :yucky: It doesn't do anything for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victoria Posted October 11, 2007 Author Report Share Posted October 11, 2007 :yucky: It doesn't do anything for me. Quite. Panerai seem to be suffering from Rolexitis -- the idea that since you're popular, more is better: Overwhelm your followers! Leave them gasping for air! Bling! Blong! Tourbillon! (hey, that rhymed, cool). No Panerai, don't go this route. The Fiddy is PERFECT. The 217 is a gem. Even the 233 (not a fave of mine) works. Adding a Tourbillon with a cheesy little dot (A DOT! What is this, Disney World? It's like that ride "Mad Tea Party" with the spinning tea cups) spinning 'round the seconds sub-dial is the height of design hysteria. And the GMT? Ugh, God. I won't even mention the AM/PM sub-dial. I'm just thankful they didn't think of a Day-Date under it........... Hope someone loves this, because I just don't see the PAM 276 taking off. Famous last words. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeeJay Posted October 11, 2007 Report Share Posted October 11, 2007 (edited) Oh dear... Hmmm... Toubillon movement that's not actually visible on the dial = What's the point? 'Three Barrels' sounds like something a porno [censored] takes... Looks like a nice enough watch, but not really anything special. Certainly not anything to get excited over... Edited October 11, 2007 by TeeJay Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
docblackrock Posted October 11, 2007 Report Share Posted October 11, 2007 It's a figurehead, a flagship, a statement of intent, the jewel in their in-house movt. crown. It's not meant as a seller, just to show the horology world they're a serious player. You ain't nobody unless you have a Tourby in your line-up. Even if you put the bloody thing on the back - genius I posted a while back on the entire Manifattura series, the design of which seems to have been outsourced to a bunch of near-sighted numpties (probably ex-town planners), who when looking at the brief, skipped the part about "inkeeping with the traditions of Officine Panerai" and just crammed lots of crap in there. The 233 is about the only passable model in it's cute mini-Fiddy case, but even that has the execrable linear ('Nibbler's Fang' as coined by Pug) PR indicator. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victoria Posted October 11, 2007 Author Report Share Posted October 11, 2007 Oh dear... Hmmm... Toubillon movement that's not actually visible on the dial = What's the point? That's always been my take on Tourbillon watches. What's the bloody point if you can't see it? On that note, here is the PAM 276 Tourby at work: Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HauteHippie Posted October 11, 2007 Report Share Posted October 11, 2007 OK, well, I'll break the consensus here.... I think it's seriously cool. Yet I wouldn't feel terribly tempted to own a rep of a $98000 watch... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victoria Posted October 11, 2007 Author Report Share Posted October 11, 2007 It's a figurehead, a flagship, a statement of intent, the crown in their in-house movt. crown. It's not meant as a seller, just to show the horology world they're a serious player. You ain't nobody unless you have a Tourby in your line-up. Even if you put the bloody thing on the back - genius Wow, DBR, that's one of the best analyses I've ever read here. It's true, because it's common sense. I posted a while back on the entire Manifattura series, the design of which seems to have been outsourced to a bunch of near-sighted numpties (probably ex-town planners), who when looking at the brief, skipped the part about "inkeeping with the traditions of Officine Panerai" and just crammed lots of crap in there. The 233 is about the only passable model in it's cute mini-Fiddy case, but even that has the execrable linear ('Nibbler's Fang' as coined by Pug) PR indicator. Nibbler's Fang, LOL! Oh that Pugwah. And ex-town planners, marvellous visual. I never thought Milton Keynes and Panerai would have something in common. Wonder if they have concrete cows too? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HauteHippie Posted October 11, 2007 Report Share Posted October 11, 2007 It's a figurehead, a flagship, a statement of intent, the crown in their in-house movt. crown. It's not meant as a seller, just to show the horology world they're a serious player. You ain't nobody unless you have a Tourby in your line-up. Even if you put the bloody thing on the back - genius Agreed. 100%. And I dig it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victoria Posted October 11, 2007 Author Report Share Posted October 11, 2007 OK, well, I'll break the consensus here.... I think it's seriously cool. Yet I wouldn't feel terribly tempted to own a rep of a $98000 watch... Well, just about to sign off for the evening, but GOOD, Chieftang. I'm glad someone opposed the first (bad) impressions here. The BIG problem with Panerai, is it's a persnicketty marque. It's exasperating because something you once hated, you suddenly find yourself loving. I mean serious falling in love, to the point where you NEED IT NOW. First, I hated Panerai when I first joined RWG. Then I got a 111h, and the rest is bank statement history... Then, I hated the Radiomirs. Suddenly, I bought the 183, 190, and 210, and guess what? Loved them. I want a 183 gen one day. Then I got the Fiddy, which I thought was HORRID. Looked like a frikkin' mantle clock. I took one look at it up close, and was a goner. My recent "hate" is the 232. Now I want it like yesterday. I'm sure this happens to everyone with Panerai. They say, no way never. And suddenly, they're TeeJay. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
geo1nah2a Posted October 11, 2007 Report Share Posted October 11, 2007 The tourbillon caliber is very interesting IMHO. It is not a flat tourbillon, but placed with a 45' tilt (since this is not a pocket watch that sits vertically in a vest pocket). Plus it is goes around in 30 sec, rather than the typical 60 sec. Look at it spin in the video found in this page. (hxxp://www.paneristi.com/archives/sihh2007_guy/tourbillon.html) Additionally it has 6 days reserve. They moved the PR indicator to the back, which is better than that obtrusive linear indicator they previously used on the dial. These were the good news. The bad: It has a blue dot on the dial. Does it perform a function? No way. If the tourbillon is not spinning, then the whole watch is not working. So, it is a price tag The bad: It has a tiny GMT AND a 24hour display (3o clock). I mean, GMT and no 24 hour division? How can you read that? Then add the 24hour display Oh, and they got the CG upside down. To answer the original question, I see no way that the functions of this watch will be rep'd. Concidering the form, I guess we could see something rolling out of the factories, but there will be too many flaws even dial side. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeeJay Posted October 11, 2007 Report Share Posted October 11, 2007 That's always been my take on Tourbillon watches. What's the bloody point if you can't see it? Absolutely. I have to admit, my take on Tourbillon watches full stop is what's the point. On a pocket watch, they're usefull, but on a wrist watch, they're complications for complication's sake... And CERTAINLY not for that price. I'm thinking reps, as well. If this is even reppable (verb?), it would probably be in the U$500s. Definitely in that kind of price range. Definitely a 'collectors only' piece, rather than one with 'mass appeal'... Hmmm... mass appeal... m appeal... Emma Peel Thats better Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeeJay Posted October 11, 2007 Report Share Posted October 11, 2007 I'm sure this happens to everyone with Panerai. They say, no way never. And suddenly, they're TeeJay. It's not my fault I'm a PAMophile Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeeJay Posted October 11, 2007 Report Share Posted October 11, 2007 The tourbillon caliber is very interesting IMHO. It is not a flat tourbillon, but placed with a 45' tilt (since this is not a pocket watch that sits vertically in a vest pocket). Plus it is goes around in 30 sec, rather than the typical 60 sec. Look at it spin in the video found in this page. (hxxp://www.paneristi.com/archives/sihh2007_guy/tourbillon.html) Additionally it has 6 days reserve. They moved the PR indicator to the back, which is better than that obtrusive linear indicator they previously used on the dial. These were the good news. The bad: It has a blue dot on the dial. Does it perform a function? No way. If the tourbillon is not spinning, then the whole watch is not working. So, it is a price tag The bad: It has a tiny GMT AND a 24hour display (3o clock). I mean, GMT and no 24 hour division? How can you read that? Then add the 24hour displayOh, and they got the CG upside down. To answer the original question, I see no way that the functions of this watch will be rep'd. Concidering the form, I guess we could see something rolling out of the factories, but there will be too many flaws even dial side. I didn't even notice the GMT hand To be honest, without indices to measure it by, how is one supposed to easily use it... Something I think would be an improvement on the watch, is if the hands were all black rather than gold... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishgodeep Posted October 11, 2007 Report Share Posted October 11, 2007 Won't be on on my letter to Santa Claus .......but if I get one I'd be very very very happy. I'm sure with the ever increasing popularity of Panerai there is growing demand for exquisite premium pieces ........there's enough mult -millionaires out there who'll lap up this fusion of "haute horoligie", timeless Italian style and "action man" heritage..... Still prefer the 233....not convinced that the extra dial isn't over complicating a design that hinges around it's simplicity........I mean AM/PM ....I might not know what day it is sometimes but I always know if it's day or night !!!!! :-) My 2p FGD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TeeJay Posted October 11, 2007 Report Share Posted October 11, 2007 Won't be on on my letter to Santa Claus .......but if I get one I'd be very very very happy. I'm sure with the ever increasing popularity of Panerai there is growing demand for exquisite premium pieces ........there's enough mult -millionaires out there who'll lap up this fusion of "haute horoligie", timeless Italian style and "action man" heritage..... Still prefer the 233....not convinced that the extra dial isn't over complicating a design that hinges around it's simplicity........I mean AM/PM ....I might not know what day it is sometimes but I always know if it's day or night !!!!! :-) My 2p FGD I've read that AM/PM indicators (such as the Explorer II) were brought about not so much to track timezone changes, as with a pure GMT watch, but so cavers would know whether it was day or night while underground Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishgodeep Posted October 11, 2007 Report Share Posted October 11, 2007 I've read that AM/PM indicators (such as the Explorer II) were brought about not so much to track timezone changes, as with a pure GMT watch, but so cavers would know whether it was day or night while underground Fair comment on functionality TJ ...but you are gonna have to be one minted pot-holer to wear $100K worth of watch and surely you get people to go down holes for you if you're that rich!!!! :-) I personally will stick with my G-Shock when it comes to any risk of subterranean activity... FGD Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deepsea Posted October 12, 2007 Report Share Posted October 12, 2007 (edited) Instead of writing Tourbillon on the dial, they should have found a way to show it on the dial... The "TOURBILLON" engraving is SILLY... What is the trick of a tourbillon movement if I can't see it moving on my wrist? -- On the other hand, I think same for 190 (8days) Instead of writing 8 DAYS on the dial, they should have found a way to put a power reserve indicator on the dial... IMHO, Panerai is ONLY good on their plain watches with workhorse unitas movements, and with their submersibles... Rest of the line is FUGLY. Edited October 12, 2007 by deepsea Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victoria Posted October 12, 2007 Author Report Share Posted October 12, 2007 Instead of writing Tourbillon on the dial, they should have found a way to show it on the dial... The "TOURBILLON" engraving is SILLY... What is the trick of a tourbillon movement if I can't see it moving on my wrist? The TOURBILLON is just fughazi. It's like the Mercedes Kompressor or Saab Turbo. Neither is as alarmingly in bad taste as Tourbillon on a watch though. My theory is that Richemont authorised it, to paraphrase George Mallory on why he attempted to climb Everest, "because they can". It's a big ass watch. You can pretty much write Tourbillon on it, like you couldn't on a 24mm Cartier. On the other hand, I think same for 190 (8days) Instead of writing 8 DAYS on the dial, they should have found a way to put a power reserve indicator on the dial... Oh no you di'int! I love the 190. IMHO, Panerai is ONLY good on their plain watches with workhorse unitas movements, and with their submersibles... Rest of the line is FUGLY. Well, as I said, I belonged to this mindset until almost individually, they won me over. It's a very charismatic marque. This reminds me of the L'Egiziano thread where Pugwash and I duked it out a few rounds about whether or not it was beautiful. I loved it, but then I hate the Ferrari PAMs, so truly beauty is in the eye of the beholder... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victoria Posted October 12, 2007 Author Report Share Posted October 12, 2007 Won't be on on my letter to Santa Claus .......but if I get one I'd be very very very happy. I'm sure with the ever increasing popularity of Panerai there is growing demand for exquisite premium pieces ........there's enough mult -millionaires out there who'll lap up this fusion of "haute horoligie", timeless Italian style and "action man" heritage..... You know, that's a perfect description of this watch. "Fusion of "haute horoligie", timeless Italian style and "action man" heritage" If I were a Panerai AD, I'd make my poncey assistants memorise it and recite it back to their potential Viagra-taking millionaire 80-year old clients. Still prefer the 233....not convinced that the extra dial isn't over complicating a design that hinges around it's simplicity........I mean AM/PM ....I might not know what day it is sometimes but I always know if it's day or night !!!!! :-) Hmm, thanks to you and TeeJay for the clarification of why there is an AM/PM sub-dial in some watches. I can only imagine the mine owner might be the one to afford it... @geo1nah2a: AWESOME commentary! This thread is chock-a-block with top-notch analyses. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest carlsbadrolex Posted October 12, 2007 Report Share Posted October 12, 2007 Lets see, swimming pool and new car or watch.......... tough call. I would be very proud to own one of these. And quite frankly, I dont see another movement on the market that I would rather own. I dont know why most of you collect watches. But I collect watches for the pure excitement of the mechanics. And in my humble opinion this movement is incredibly detailed and beautiful. I could watch that cheezy You-Tube video over and over again and not get sick of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victoria Posted October 12, 2007 Author Report Share Posted October 12, 2007 I could watch that cheezy You-Tube video over and over again and not get sick of it. I could do without the giggles, and yokel hee-haws in the background, but I did like that Youtube vid a lot, admittedly. CBR, I know what you're saying, I too appreciate the mechanics that went to build this watch (279 parts!!) but you put a Tourbillon in the front, not the back, yes? I just don't get that. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phaedo Posted October 12, 2007 Report Share Posted October 12, 2007 I do like it, and perhaps they put the tourbillion on the back not the front to try and continue with the tradition of not putting anything 'unnecessary' on the front. But also have cutting edge stuff in their movements. Although the AM/PM seems like something extra they could have missed. On that, I would like it even more if the am/pm were a date subdial instead. As much as I like my 113, I really miss having the date on it, it just bugs me every time I need to write the date. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dluddy Posted October 12, 2007 Report Share Posted October 12, 2007 I like it and well, I am going to break tradition again. I love the mechanics of the Tourbillon movement. I just don't want to see it on my dial. Making it visible from the back is one of the key designs points I like on this model. Kudos to Panerai, again Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wjlamp Posted October 13, 2007 Report Share Posted October 13, 2007 Absolutely. I have to admit, my take on Tourbillon watches full stop is what's the point. On a pocket watch, they're usefull, but on a wrist watch, they're complications for complication's sake... Definitely in that kind of price range. Definitely a 'collectors only' piece, rather than one with 'mass appeal'... Hmmm... mass appeal... m appeal... Emma Peel Thats better They might like the wordplay.Do they (Panerai officials) read forums about their replicated designs? Naah!! Just imagine the chances to change the name from Turbillon to Avenger . Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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