HauteHippie Posted January 30, 2008 Report Share Posted January 30, 2008 I've come up with specs for a new PAM cyclops that is designed as follows: - Correct diameter and magnification for earlier models, including the 27, 28, 29, 63 (my previous cyclops was sized for the newer models) - Sapphire substrate - AR Coated This magnifier would be very similar to the original watchmen lens (for those familiar) with some minor tweaks and the addition of AR to address the internal reflection issue it had. The AR is going to be nearly impossible to detect on an internally mounted cyclops, and sssurfer can attest to the effectiveness of AR at reducing the internal reflections and adding clarity. This will eliminate the need to AR coat the PAM crystals with cyclopes on watches that should not be AR coated per the original. The 29 and 63 would be able to use this cyclops directly, while the 27, 28 would require the removal of the small internal lens over the date window. I am not familiar with other models that would use this magnifier, but the thickness should not present a hands clearance issue for any watch. *If interested, please let me know. The cost of this magnifier will be $35 USD per unit shipped anywhere in the world - a little higher than my previous lens which was not AR coated, but still lower than the original watchmen if you'll recall. I will also need payment up front, and the lead time will be a couple months. Judging by the response here, I'll determine whether we can move forward. Thanks! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishgodeep Posted January 30, 2008 Report Share Posted January 30, 2008 Chief - put me down for 3 please...let me know when you want the money FGD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dluddy Posted January 30, 2008 Report Share Posted January 30, 2008 I'd be in for 2 Chief Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dragshotz Posted January 30, 2008 Report Share Posted January 30, 2008 I'll take two...let me know when you need the money. Thanks Chris Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dani Posted January 30, 2008 Report Share Posted January 30, 2008 Only 1 since they cant be used on 24/27!? Cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cskent69 Posted January 30, 2008 Report Share Posted January 30, 2008 In for 2 Chief. Sounds great! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ar0401 Posted January 30, 2008 Report Share Posted January 30, 2008 In for 2. Thanks Chief! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TK471 Posted January 30, 2008 Report Share Posted January 30, 2008 Definitely in for one. Especially if it fixes the minor internal reflection issue! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slai Posted January 30, 2008 Report Share Posted January 30, 2008 Would it fit a 49? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HauteHippie Posted January 30, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 30, 2008 Would it fit a 49? I guess it would be appropriate for the 49B. The only question would be whether that is a sandwich crystal. If not, it should work fine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Watchmeister Posted January 30, 2008 Report Share Posted January 30, 2008 Four for me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deepitch Posted January 30, 2008 Report Share Posted January 30, 2008 (edited) Hi Chief, Put me up for 3! Btw, do you reckon these new cyclops will fit the submersibles such as the 024, 087 and 243? Or are these meant for the older cyclops u made? If these new cyclops will fit the submersibles then put me up for 6, if not, do you still have the older cyclops available for sale? I would like to order both types of cyclops, keep me posted. Cheers! Edited January 30, 2008 by deepitch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slai Posted January 30, 2008 Report Share Posted January 30, 2008 I guess it would be appropriate for the 49B. The only question would be whether that is a sandwich crystal. If not, it should work fine. What the hell, only one way to find out...in for one! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HauteHippie Posted January 30, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 30, 2008 Hi Chief, Put me up for 3! Btw, do you reckon these new cyclops will fit the submersibles such as the 024, 087 and 243? Or are these meant for the older cyclops u made? If these new cyclops will fit the submersibles then put me up for 6, if not, do you still have the older cyclops available for sale? I would like to order both types of cyclops, keep me posted. Cheers! Honestly, I can't answer the question... The main issue here is whether or not those models use a sandwich crystal which has a hole bored through the inner layer for the cyclops. This cyclops will work with any watch that has a regular crystal. I know the 27,28,29,63 have regular crystals. I suspect models like the 49 would as well - I'd give it a 99% probability. It is the subs that I would question. The PAM 24 would be a model appropriate for this magnifier - assuming it does not have a sandwich crystal (and I don't know if it does or not). However the 243 is a very new model, for which you don't want a smaller cyclops. And the 87 started at D, so this wouldn't be the right choice for it either. If I were you, I'd throw caution to the wind and get one for the 24. If it doesn't work you could sell it or save it for a rainy day when you find a need for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cc Posted January 30, 2008 Report Share Posted January 30, 2008 chief, i'll take 3 please. ready to send money. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sanro Posted January 30, 2008 Report Share Posted January 30, 2008 Two for me, Sir. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HauteHippie Posted January 30, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 30, 2008 You know, now that I think about it, I want to say that the cyclops was switch over to the larger size after the D series by Panerai... So something like a PAM 87 would probably be suitable for this one, assuming a compatible crystal. But the majority of 87s will probably have the larger version since it was produced from D up through H series. Kruz and/or sssurfer can confirm I am sure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deltatahoe Posted January 30, 2008 Report Share Posted January 30, 2008 @kruzer and/or dluddly, do you know if your pam 024A has a sandwich style construction or regular crystal? @chief, i'd be in for one assuming the 024A has a regular crystal... thanks, deltatahoe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lanikai Posted January 30, 2008 Report Share Posted January 30, 2008 You are psychic CF.. I'm in for 4.. thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dluddy Posted January 30, 2008 Report Share Posted January 30, 2008 Mine is a sandwich I'm afraid... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HauteHippie Posted January 30, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 30, 2008 Mine is a sandwich I'm afraid... Thanks D, that rules out the 24 absent a full crystal swap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jake48 Posted January 30, 2008 Report Share Posted January 30, 2008 Chief - You da man!!! I am in for one.... Payment ready to go. Just let me know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bwhitesox Posted January 30, 2008 Report Share Posted January 30, 2008 Chief put me down for two please. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sssurfer Posted January 31, 2008 Report Share Posted January 31, 2008 What I can say / confirm: 1. AR coating is a major improvement to any cyclops. On my own experience, chieftang's first single-side AR run turned one "watchmen" cyclops and one "chieftang-1st-series" cyclops from >just good< to >gorgeous< (that is also why all my cyclopses for the PAM 027 and 028 have always been AR coated). Honestly, I have to add that AR coating only the cyclops is a little less effective than AR coating the whole crystal. On my experience, AR coated cyclopses reduce refelection of about 75-80%, while AR coated crystals reduce them 95%. However, this is an excellent improvement, and it is the only choice to anyone with an early series PAM (no AR on the gen). 2. D-series PAM 087 (500 watches made) had 6mm cyclops, while the E-H series (1500 watches collectively) had giant cyclops, at least 7mm and most likely 7.5mm. 3. The 024 rep has a sandwich crystal. 99% chance that also the gen is the same. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deepitch Posted January 31, 2008 Report Share Posted January 31, 2008 (edited) Thanks sssurfer and dluddly for the input on the subs. Chief, i will take 3 of these cyclops. Cheers! Edited January 31, 2008 by deepitch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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