RWG Technical Posted February 23, 2008 Report Share Posted February 23, 2008 This watch was sent in, as received from a dealer...after a look, I re-assembled it and returned it to the owner untouched. Why, well have a look and you'll see why... Far too many things wrong and not worth trying to fix. First up, keyless works...a bit of grinding going on here...how does a brand new unworn watch get in this condition? More metal fillings on the dial and damage on the dial from assembly. Crap in the screw slot. Figured I may as well have a look at the dial, so I split the sandwich dial only to find that the upper half of the dial was missing it's alignment pins, they were ground off...and the bottom half was flat and not able to be lumed. Normal dials have a slight recess on them, and actual numeral outlines. The recess gives you a place to apply the lume, hard to do on this one with neither the recess or the outline of the numbers to follow... More metal fillings. Bit of an alignment issue with the CG? Seems like someone is missing a bit of arm hair after inserting the CG pin... Got the caseback re-installed only to find it was machined crooked...fully tightened, check out the gap and no gap from one side to the other... Don't think I would swim with this baby... Keep in mind, this is a BRAND new watch...the owner can speak up with more details if he chooses. I would keep a look out for similar ones, normally things like this don't happen in isolation. Lets hope this is not a new trend. Thanks for looking. RG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bwhitesox Posted February 23, 2008 Report Share Posted February 23, 2008 Dear O dear that is shoddy with a capital S. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slai Posted February 23, 2008 Report Share Posted February 23, 2008 I had a feeling this would be about the one I sent you when I read the subject. This was one of Angus' ultimate 111h. I was mostly happy with it (I really hadn't noticed some of the issues...I don't have as keen an eye as some of you) but I wanted stronger lume (even thought it was relumed, it just wasn't as bright as the other superlumed watches I have) and figured I could get it serviced and small things like the CG could be taken care of. Absolutely no more buying premodded watches for me. Embarrasingly, the thread (and it IS thread! I assure you I don't have white arm hair) in the CG pin is my fault however. I haven't bothered talking to Angus about it since I decided to be done with 111 reps. The Zigmeister's email earlier this week was the final straw while I was still going back and forth trying to decide whether to stop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shundi Posted February 23, 2008 Report Share Posted February 23, 2008 Holy crap! I sincerely hope that is isolated although history might say otherwise... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bwhitesox Posted February 23, 2008 Report Share Posted February 23, 2008 Normally Angus's Pams are pretty good I thought..That was the impression from looking at them and reading the reviews. Nothing like a knowledgeable watchsmith delving further to uncover what issues lie underneath though. I'm hoping this is a one off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slai Posted February 23, 2008 Report Share Posted February 23, 2008 Normally Angus's Pams are pretty good I thought..That was the impression from looking at them and reading the reviews. Nothing like a knowledgeable watchsmith delving further to uncover what issues lie underneath though. I'm hoping this is a one off. Vacuum exposed some issues with the Es too. They keyless works looks eerily familiar. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sailinjack Posted February 23, 2008 Report Share Posted February 23, 2008 Holy Mackerel. I hope it was just a CNY first day back issue. I have a couple on the way to me. Gulp! Stuff like this can really throw their business down the crapper. Great pictues The Zigmeister and thanks for the heads up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mikellem Posted February 23, 2008 Report Share Posted February 23, 2008 Thanks Rob for the heads up~! I think we might just see quite a few more of these...~ -MM Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rogerthat Posted February 23, 2008 Report Share Posted February 23, 2008 Yes, thank you for letting us know. Very detailed shots, the alignment of the crown guard seems very obvious. Bad reports on new Ultimate Pam reps,what the f is going on? Cheers, M Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corgi Posted February 23, 2008 Report Share Posted February 23, 2008 This was one of Angus' ultimate 111h. If this is "ultimate" then I don't want to see the "regular"... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Victoria Posted February 23, 2008 Report Share Posted February 23, 2008 Embarrasingly, the thread (and it IS thread! I assure you I don't have white arm hair) Slai, it wasn't your arm hair we thought it was... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HauteHippie Posted February 23, 2008 Report Share Posted February 23, 2008 This brings to light a big problem.... Reviews are only as good (so to speak) as the person giving them. Once you get something like this into the hands of a The Zigmeister, all the details - many of them glaring problems - are going to be exposed which otherwise would not be. Thanks, The Zigmeister. This is exactly what we need to see more of around here... Hopefully not consistently so disturbing, though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yellomen Posted February 23, 2008 Report Share Posted February 23, 2008 Darn!!! What just a little extra attention would make us all soooooo much more happy! I wished they had a few Ziggys over there Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mentalist Posted February 23, 2008 Report Share Posted February 23, 2008 (edited) Slai, it wasn't your arm hair we thought it was... If he could fit a PAM strap "You know where" no wonder he's so popular with the ladies. Edited February 23, 2008 by The Mentalist Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cats Posted February 23, 2008 Report Share Posted February 23, 2008 My god if didn't knew it was en GEN i would say this is BAD REP Can't believe my eyes and how in the hell did this one get out of the factory Carpe Diem Cats Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slai Posted February 23, 2008 Report Share Posted February 23, 2008 So, who wants to buy this paperweight off me? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mentalist Posted February 23, 2008 Report Share Posted February 23, 2008 So, who wants to buy this paperweight off me? Do we look like cretins? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slai Posted February 23, 2008 Report Share Posted February 23, 2008 Do we look like cretins? I was joking. Hence the laugh smiley. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Mentalist Posted February 23, 2008 Report Share Posted February 23, 2008 So was I. I forgot the smily. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yt74 Posted February 24, 2008 Report Share Posted February 24, 2008 WOW! I guess this kind of QC is why we pay our price vs the gen! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
capice Posted February 24, 2008 Report Share Posted February 24, 2008 Auchhhhhh, another one bites the dust. Sorry to see this m8 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bigbadbrad Posted February 24, 2008 Report Share Posted February 24, 2008 Fabulous post The Zigmeister - goes to show any manufacturing process can be effed up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NuTymer Posted February 24, 2008 Report Share Posted February 24, 2008 The Zigmeister, awesome macro shots! What lens/camera combo are u using? I need me the same setup. I'm just wondering out loud here, but exactly what level of QC is expected/acceptable for reps that cost meager 5% of gens? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
8o8 Posted February 24, 2008 Report Share Posted February 24, 2008 i ordered one of the mod'd pam from angus before xmas(?) and it eventually showed up but I was having issues with the crown not fully engaged(?) to wind the watch properly. it would slip and spin freely until i pressed it in hard and then it would engage again. i had to wind it carefully. sent it back to get it sorted out. hopefully the insides doesnt look like this Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RWG Technical Posted February 24, 2008 Author Report Share Posted February 24, 2008 Ziggy, awesome macro shots! What lens/camera combo are u using? I need me the same setup. Camera is an Olympus E500 with a 50mm macro lens...works great. RG Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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