DemonSlayer Posted April 25, 2008 Report Share Posted April 25, 2008 Would you rather own 10 'high end' reps priced at $200 each or this Sony Bravia 40 inch LCD HD TV with a 5 year warranty? Personally, I wouldn't go for the 10 rep option whose total retail value is really around the $600 rather than the marked up $2000 we would have to pay. What about the rest of you guys? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ZBG Posted April 25, 2008 Report Share Posted April 25, 2008 Hey demon, are you saying that $200 reps are really worth $60 each? Even with the swiss eta movements? (or are they all just really good asian copies of the eta movements) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nightstroker Posted April 25, 2008 Report Share Posted April 25, 2008 (edited) 40" is too small....I have a 56" Samsung DLP that has an awesome picture....it costs far less than $2000....and I have my computer hooked up to it.... So heres what you do....take a trip down to an electronics store and have a look at the DLPs....buy one....save over $600 and spend the rest on reps! Edited April 25, 2008 by Nightstroker Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
maulermacall@hotmail.com Posted April 25, 2008 Report Share Posted April 25, 2008 Id get more pleasure looking at the 10 reps than the tv no matter what size. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
b16a2 Posted April 25, 2008 Report Share Posted April 25, 2008 It depends on whether you need a new TV or not. If you are in need of an updated TV go for the TV, if not, buy a couple of reps and put the rest in the bank Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fish Posted April 25, 2008 Report Share Posted April 25, 2008 It depends on whether you need a new TV or not. If you are in need of an updated TV go for the TV, if not, buy a couple of reps and put the rest in the bank And of course it depends on the TV program. Is it realy worth a giant wide screen? Or are you into movies and DVD collecting? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blade007 Posted April 25, 2008 Report Share Posted April 25, 2008 i asked myself the same question 2 days ago. I was itching get a panerai homage watch + steelfish or something. But instead of collecting more reps I ended up getting an 8GB iPhone instead. Back to your question, I would rather have the TV. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ximenes Posted April 25, 2008 Report Share Posted April 25, 2008 it depends on how I feel at the moment... at this moment the TV.. since I have a whole bunch of reps and only one tube. xim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
technobug Posted April 25, 2008 Report Share Posted April 25, 2008 If it's not one of the new 120hz models, forget about it. It'll be outdated by next year. Where as your 10 reps will afford you years of joy! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iceberg1459 Posted April 25, 2008 Report Share Posted April 25, 2008 get a philips plasma, i had one samsung like nightstrokers the lcd cracked inside. and lcd tvs are simply huge sized monitors, plasmas are better for watching dvd's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
technobug Posted April 25, 2008 Report Share Posted April 25, 2008 get a philips plasma, i had one samsung like nightstrokers the lcd cracked inside. and lcd tvs are simply huge sized monitors, plasmas are better for watching dvd's. No way man. Sorry to disagree, but there ain't nothin on the market other than OLED ( 11" display= $2500! ) that has a better picture than the current crop of 1080p native 120hz LCD displays. Seriously if you haven't seen one yet do yourself a favor and go have a look. I myself am a Samsung fan. Their LNT "71F" series is the best IMHO. Hands down. I've compared it side by side to the Bravia, and it kills it. One thing though......don't check em out if you can't afford a new TV right now, cuz your gonna want one the second you lay eyes on it. Man hook it up to a Blu-Ray.......forget about it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iceberg1459 Posted April 25, 2008 Report Share Posted April 25, 2008 Yeah but oleds are completely different thing, thats the same tech what we have in our cell phones and sony psp, just bigger size.The quality is amazing i know (1mil:1 contrast). But afaik theres no plasma size oled in market yet, if theres one it would be cost fortune. A big plasma with full hd (1080) is perfect to watch blu-ray dvds imo. And if you want quality buy loewe or panasonic plasma, sony are crap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homer Posted April 25, 2008 Report Share Posted April 25, 2008 (edited) Would you rather own 10 'high end' reps priced at $200 each or this Sony Bravia 40 inch LCD HD TV with a 5 year warranty? Hi If you care about picture quality forget LCD. Plasma is much better. Go for the Pioneer KURO range (best flat screen TV on the market). 50" here. also comes in 42" Edited April 25, 2008 by Homer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paolo Posted April 25, 2008 Report Share Posted April 25, 2008 "Plasma is much better. " Absolutely! Got a sweet 42" panasonic myself. Hi If you care about picture quality forget LCD. Plasma is much better. Go for the Pioneer KURO range (best flat screen TV on the market). 50" here. also comes in 42" Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seadweller4000 Posted April 25, 2008 Report Share Posted April 25, 2008 Holy Cow! Just checked the price for a 60inch KURO here in Germany and in the US... Retail in Germany: 7.4K Euro = 11.680 USD Retail in US: 6K USD EDIT: Sorry, little off-topic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
technobug Posted April 25, 2008 Report Share Posted April 25, 2008 Naw....honestly, not gonna budge on this one. Plasma is no longer king. The new 120hz LCDs are IT right now. Blows plasma away. Brighter, sharper, smoother. The pic just looks like life itself. Honestly, have you gone and looked at one? Sorry but the Pioneer Kuro is only 60hz refresh rate. Slow as a donkey. Hence the choppy picture. Trust me......I know you like your plasmas guys, but if you are lookin for a nice TV right now, 120hz LCD is THE way to go. Just go take a look at one if you don't believe me. 25k:1 contrast ratio, and 120hz....nuff said. One thing though....garbage in = garbage out. If you go to check one out, make sure it's at a good store. One where they have proper signal on ALL their display models. Compare pictures with equal source material. Sorry, I turned this thread into a consumer electronics theme. Just kind of another hobby of mine. CE that is. This will be my last post regarding it. But maybe we can continue this topic on OT? Sorry one more thing.....for those in the CONUS, the site has some pretty good deals if you're looking for a TV: Pay Less Plasma Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homer Posted April 25, 2008 Report Share Posted April 25, 2008 Naw....honestly, not gonna budge on this one. Plasma is no longer king. The new 120hz LCDs are IT right now. Blows plasma away. Brighter, sharper, smoother. The pic just looks like life itself. Honestly, have you gone and looked at one? Sorry but the Pioneer Kuro is only 60hz refresh rate. Slow as a donkey. Hence the choppy picture. Trust me......I know you like your plasmas guys, but if you are lookin for a nice TV right now, 120hz LCD is THE way to go. Just go take a look at one if you don't believe me. 25k:1 contrast ratio, and 120hz....nuff said. One thing though....garbage in = garbage out. If you go to check one out, make sure it's at a good store. One where they have proper signal on ALL their display models. Compare pictures with equal source material. Sorry, I turned this thread into a consumer electronics theme. Just kind of another hobby of mine. CE that is. this will be my last post regarding it. But maybe we can continue this topic on OT? sorry, dont mean to offend but please dont post nonsense about refresh rates. nothing you said makes any sense. cinema refresh rate is 48hz. why on earth do you need 120hz??????! Kuro refresh rate is 72hz anyway. Kuro plasma. best flat screen on market... look on any forum/magazine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
technobug Posted April 25, 2008 Report Share Posted April 25, 2008 Ok.... I lied. Please read..... The knock against LCD TVs--which doesn't apply to plasma or rear-projection HDTVs--has been that their slower refresh rates and response times leave them susceptible to motion blur with fast-motion content. To combat this perception, LCD manufacturers are pushing 120Hz--it's the hot spec of the moment, the 1080p of 2007. 120Hz on its own doesn't appear to significantly reduce motion blur. This may seem like a bold statement right out of the starting gate, but I can tell you only what I saw. We watched a non-120HZ LCD TV, JVC's LT-47X788, next to those three 120Hz TVs, as well as three plasmas: Pioneer's PDP-5080HD and PRO-FHD1, along with Samsung's FP-T5084. Watching the same HD source material on every TV (it included recorded footage of a Saints-Colts football game and a U.S. Open quarterfinal tennis match), neither I--nor my compatriots--saw anything that made us feel 120Hz was making a real difference. Yes, when you run a fast-moving score ticker on the bottom of the screen, the letters and numbers appear slightly sharper (no blurring around the edges), but it's just not a big deal. The fact is, we haven't had a motion-blur problem with any of the newer 60Hz LCD TVs we've reviewed in recent times. Don't get me wrong--we did see a lot of what you might call blurring in faster-motion scenes, but it was always inherent in the source, so it looked basically the same on all of the TVs, including the plasmas. Motion blur is a fuzzy concept. OK, this where it gets more complicated. Typically, manufacturers are coupling 120Hz with a video-processing feature that is designed to eliminate judder in film-based (24 frame-per-second) material. This is often referred to as a "smoothing" feature, and companies have come up with different marketing-friendly names for it. Sony calls it Motion Flow, Samsung's is dubbed Movie Plus, Sharp's is TrueD, and Toshiba's is Film Stabilization, and some work better than others. Even some plasmas, such as the Pioneer PDP-5080HD, offer this type of smoothing feature, though we didn't think it was implemented as well in that model as in the LCDs (it introduced major artifacts). To be clear, motion blur and judder are two different beasts. However, they seem to be getting lumped together because both involve the clarity and stability of the image. Mitsubishi, for example, calls its 120Hz processing "Smooth 120Hz," even though the company's LCDs, such as the LT-46144, do not incorporate anti-judder processing. Anti-judder can have a major impact on picture quality. The smoother is designed to eliminate judder in film-based content, which is most noticeable in scenes that incorporate slow camera pans or in scenes shot with a handheld camera. We mainly looked at the effects of engaging the Sony's anti-judder, which has two settings: standard and high. Even at the lower setting (standard), the difference in the picture was immediately apparent. The image just looks more stable. Kick it up to high and everything becomes rock solid--it's night and day. However, the high setting tends to introduce artifacts into the picture. These look like a little tear or glitch in the picture. They appear for just a fraction of second, but they are noticeable. It's worth noting that the picture on the standard setting sometimes looks unnatural, too, particularly when the anti-judder suddenly kicks in during a fast pan and stabilizes objects moving across the screen. Eliminating judder is not for everyone. Judder is part of what makes film look like film, so when you remove it, it starts to look like video. Now, some folks like the look of video and contend that it looks more true-to-life. Both Matthew Moskovciak and I are judder-free fans. On the other hand, David Katzmaier likes the effect only in certain scenes--he generally prefers to leave it turned off during Hollywood films and turned on for some other film-based content, such as the nature documentary Planet Earth--because, in some instances, it can really alter a scene, or at least take away from what the director intended the scene to look like. This is called "director's intent," and movie purists would argue that anti-judder tarnishes the viewing experience much in the same way that performance-enhancing drugs might change the outcome of a sporting event. OK, maybe that's a stretch, but I couldn't help myself. If you're a fan of anti-judder, it's hard to live without. Moscovciak says he now has a hard time watching movies with judder; he finds it excruciatingly irritating. I personally don't feel quite that strongly, but I kept asking Katzmaier to crank the Sony's Motion Flow setting to "high." I was willing to live with the artifacts in exchange for that rock-solid image. (Katzmaier strongly disagrees.) I'm quickly becoming an anti-judder junkie. Smoothing will only get smoother. As I said, some smoothers are better than others. But remember, this is a relatively new technology, and most of these companies are taking their first cracks at these special video-processing modes. Sony's Motion Flow and others will get better with time, and chances are you'll see you'll see fewer--or hopefully, no--artifacts in future televisions when the anti-judder mode is engaged. For the record, we've tested only three HDTVs with anti-judder technology so far: the Sony, the Pioneer 5080HD, and the Toshiba 52LX177, but we'll check out more as soon as we can get our hands on them. So, is it worth paying extra for a 120Hz model now? If you can afford it, I'd say go for it, so long as you get a model that does anti-judder well--and offers good picture quality based on the fundamentals: decent black levels, color saturation, color accuracy, and resolution. Ultimately, reducing judder, not motion blur, is the real game-changer here. Get a demo yourself. Maybe you'll see what I mean. By David Carnoy And that is why 120hz is nice. This article was also written before Samsung's Auto Motion Plus technology was available to them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iceberg1459 Posted April 25, 2008 Report Share Posted April 25, 2008 This is often get discussed and many "experts" say different things but believe me, lcd are better for video games and plasma better for watching films, dvds. Its different to person to person but for me, films appear "smoother and warmer" on plasmas and too "artificial" on lcds. I know from experience that i owned almost every size of lcd and plasma tvs. But i think plasmas start from 42'' so if you need a smaller size you have to buy lcd. And plasmas have thick glass front which lcds dont so its very fragile if you accidently hit it or if room temparature gets too high(very unlikely) it may crack inside und you cant repair it. I cracked mine while cleaning the screen. Hope this helps Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
technobug Posted April 25, 2008 Report Share Posted April 25, 2008 Agreed. For sure alot has to do with personal preference. Before the new LCDs I liked DLP for movie use. And LCD for games. I just think the new 120hz LCDs add a level of realism that didn't exist before. I understand the bit about recreating film. But honestly I feel like film isn't all that great. The picture on my Samsung LNT5271F looks like you are literally looking out your window and seeing life in action. It's CRAZY! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jot9011 Posted April 25, 2008 Report Share Posted April 25, 2008 The knock against LCD TVs--which doesn't apply to plasma or rear-projection HDTVs--has been that their slower refresh rates and response times leave them susceptible to motion blur with fast-motion content. To combat this perception, LCD manufacturers are pushing 120Hz--it's the hot spec of the moment, the 1080p of 2007. That's exactly the point. Plasma still has better picture fidelity, deeper black levels, wider viewing angle and better price point over LCD. Refresh rates?...meh... sounds like another gimmick to try and justify the higher price of these sets. IMO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
scoobs1971 Posted April 25, 2008 Report Share Posted April 25, 2008 In the NTSC Television format (60i) 1 frame/image consists of 2 fields that describe the picture. 120hz is just a repetition of the same fields. For static images this looks like an improvement. However, fast moving images could give some unwanted side effects because of the repeating double fields. So for me no need for 120hz, it's just marketing..... For the time being I will stick to an old fashioned TV instead of LCD/Plasma, untill full HD screens are affordable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
specialvat Posted April 25, 2008 Report Share Posted April 25, 2008 Having worked in electrical retail for ten years I ve seen the technology grow in front of my eyes, I always look at how panels display ocean scenes and lava errupting. Sounds weird but most of the sets I see can't cope with the fine detail and just pixelate, also the U.K.(where I live) is always behind in terms of technology. All depends on how much you watch T.V. I guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Homer Posted April 25, 2008 Report Share Posted April 25, 2008 Ok.... I lied. Please read..... You didn't lie Just mislead by a gimmick and hype. The holy grail of a home cinema setup is to achieve a picture and sound as the DIRECTOR INTENDED. I now know what you mean by 120hz LCD. i.e Post-processing to "make-up" frames. Made-up frames cause artefacts and remove the "movie effect". (Ive got something similar on my bedroom Philips LCD). fun for the 1st 5mins... then never used it again. If you like this sort of picture go for it... LCD can never produce (or even come close to) near REFERENCE level (once calibrated) blacks, gamma curve and colour temperature of the Kuro, THIS IS WHAT REALLY MATTERS. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chronus Posted April 25, 2008 Report Share Posted April 25, 2008 (edited) Demonslayer, love the avatar, where'd you find it, and who is she ? Your woman ? If so, I envy you Edited April 25, 2008 by Chronus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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