the osteopath Posted April 29, 2008 Report Share Posted April 29, 2008 Okay. I don't have a genuine B&R (or a BBK for that matter), so I wasn't sure. I scaled both images in PSP and overlaid the B&R ono the BBK and they pretty much lined up. Obviously this method is not accurate to within a millimetres. SO maybe a 7750 is necessary then? I'm looking at 2 bare movements- about 2.5mm Best, -O Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
z3k0 Posted April 29, 2008 Report Share Posted April 29, 2008 Oops, I meant 97, sorry about that, But I've already seceded the point about the date to -O I was neither complaining, nor insisting that they make a less accurate rep. I simply stated that the genuine BBK is in fact Palladium, and not white gold (which is gold plated with Nickel, Rhodium, Platinum, or Palladium), so plating the watch with gold would actually be inaccurate.. Thank you kindly for your input. OK, first lets get some facts ... white gold is alloy of gold and nickel/paladium/platinum and is sometimes coated with rhodium. As for similarity closest thing to palladium is platinum (they are elements from same group), and then white gold - all these materials have silvery-white-ish dull shine to them - unlike SS. If you don't have palladium at hand white gold is quite good match, definitely better than SS. And ... you were not complaining ?? How do you call this ... Knowing that their both here on the forum right now, in the off chance that they might answer, I have to ask: Why would you put a 7750 into a watch that has no chronograph or complication? Is a sculpted and engraved rotor really necessary on a watch with a solid caseback! Heavy white gold plating on stainless steel? This watch should be perfectly replicated, with an $20 4813 in a steel movement holder for a total price under $200 (maybe in the $100-150 range) Just my thoughts. Just for the record - I do like this watch, and my questions are serious questions. I really do want to know if there is any reason why this must contain a 7750 instead of a DG4813 other than to justify a higher price? Is the engraved rotor really necessary when the resources could be put to better use (e.g. fixing the pearl)? Does the "triple wrapped white gold" really make a difference? Almost every white gold rep I've seen (mostly Rolex) did just fine with polished stainless (even the sandblasted bezel insert on the Yachtmaster). So are these things really necessary, or is it simply a way to justify a $300-400-500+ price tag? It's obvious you do not have a problem with this watch, but with collector(s) that advertised it - and I have nothing against that - but I would just like to point out that this is silly way to settle your score with them ... and because of that fact I think I'll discuss this topic no more ... I have a new watch, and have to write something about it ... I think it will be time better spent regards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
giorgio Posted April 29, 2008 Author Report Share Posted April 29, 2008 OK, first lets get some facts ... white gold is alloy of gold and nickel/paladium/platinum and is sometimes coated with rhodium. As for similarity closest thing to palladium is platinum (they are elements from same group), and then white gold - all these materials have silvery-white-ish dull shine to them - unlike SS. If you don't have palladium at hand white gold is quite good match, definitely better than SS. And ... you were not complaining ?? How do you call this Thank you. I understand that Pt and PD are in the same group, and so is Ni. Plating steel with either one of the three can yield a very similar appearance to it's corresponding white gold alloy. Nickel obviously being the least expensive and most readily available. Nickel is also the most durable and would be resistant to scratches or fading. The difference being the white gold will eventually wear and take on a yellow hue, while the Pt, Pd, or Ni plate will not. *edit* I have heard that Palladium plating can be done fairly inexpensively, but have no way to verify this. I call that asking questions and having a discussion, I apologize if you or anyone else believed that I have a problem with the collector. I assure you that this is not the case. The collector stated the watch was in the prototype stage, meaning that corrections/adjustments might still be possible. Best regards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
giorgio Posted April 29, 2008 Author Report Share Posted April 29, 2008 I'm looking at 2 bare movements- about 2.5mm Thanks for the info. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwoTone Posted April 30, 2008 Report Share Posted April 30, 2008 @Gio You now have more than one person in this Thread that thinks your posts are combative... On top of your tone towards our Collectors, you have filed a PP dispute to have your "Supporter" fee refunded... After your PM's to me over the last couple of days during your suspension I'm surprised that you logged back on and visited this Thread... So what's it going to be? You remain a member in good standing, or a disgruntled x-member who can't handle a little truth... YOU need to make a decision NOW... Get your PP refund and find a new home... Or have a attitude correction and handle the PP issue... TT PS: The PP deal was in really bad taste... Especially since you knew via my PM that it would get handled... I otta just punt you ass - but I won't... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lyndonville Posted April 30, 2008 Report Share Posted April 30, 2008 That's an ugly thing. Why didn't they just put the other bezel on it? Certainly would look better. After all, it is a fake so who cares and who would know anyhow? Tim Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
giorgio Posted April 30, 2008 Author Report Share Posted April 30, 2008 @Twotone - I sent both you and Admin the same Personal Message, did you read it? Cause I sure didn't get a response. If you hadn't have kicked me off the forum and then blocked my PM so I couldn't respond right away we wouldn't be here. I even tried to communicate with you using the shoutbox (the only thing that worked) and got no reply. I stated that the collectors can't think we're dumb enough to fall for a 20 second lume exposure. I've heard a lot worse on "Looney Toons". I even *politely* asked you to explain what the problem with my post was, since I had edited that part out before I even read your post. I wasn't being facetious. If the question about the collector asking you to delete my post didn't ring true - then you shouldn't have been offended by it, and indeed you didn't seem to be. You then sent me PM's about my attitude towards Longshot and Robj? I'm going to assume that you two are good friends because, after being corrected by four different members, Longshot refused to admit his misunderstanding and proceeded to launch a personal attack on me. So really, you booted me off the board because Longshot didn't bother reading six posts correcting his error, then calling me a tool. Every other thread on this board has actual instances of rule violations in them. The only rule that was broken in here was broken by Longshot. I did nothing here that warranted so much as a warning - let alone being kicked off the board. So now you and 1 other person don't like my "tone". Four other people couldn't find anything wrong with it - you even warned one of them when he was one of two people who spoke up (thanks). I'm sorry, but the reader has to inflect their own tone into written literature. It sounds the way you want it to sound. Notice how that other person seems to be goading me into an argument? Sorry I didn't fall for it. Thanks for participating Z3K0. You tried your best. The only thing I have done is ruined a couple of people's chances to rip off n00bs and sell broken watches in the sales area - I'm sure those long standing members and their long time friends aren't happy about that. But I'm sure that's not what this is about - Should be pretty obvious to anyone who reads this thread from the beginning, but I don't get it. As far as the membership goes - yeah I was p*ssed off. I voluntarily upgraded out of gratitude - and then made a second donation out of the goodness of my heart. I didn't do it because K222 offered me a free A/R service, and I certainly did not do it so I could sell my junk for a profit and rip off n00bs - I have never sold anything on this board and I never planned to. I'm not interested in the money - that's never what this was about. Getting kicked off the board after being personally attacked by another member really upset me. But I also explained it to Admin and to you in those PM's I sent. As I have said to the both of you - this felt to me like an unjustified personal attack. If this is the case, and I am no longer welcomed here then say so and I'll be on my way. If it was all the result of someone having a bad day, or a big misunderstanding that spun out of control, then I offer my humblest apologies. Either way, you do what you feel is right. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
z3k0 Posted April 30, 2008 Report Share Posted April 30, 2008 .... So now you and 1 other person don't like my "tone". Four other people couldn't find anything wrong with it - you even warned one of them when he was one of two people who spoke up (thanks). I'm sorry, but the reader has to inflect their own tone into written literature. It sounds the way you want it to sound. Notice how that person seems to be goading me into an argument? Sorry I didn't fall for it. Thanks for participating Z3K0. You tried your best. ... @giorgio - Well, I think I must say something here, since I feel I'm being called out here for something I really don't like. First of all, every fact I stated are related to discussion whether movement and finish of this prototype are suitable or not. My point is that on this board we always try to push "makers" into making accurate and quality reps - at least I got that impression in my year-and-half I hang around here. Of course you didn't "fall for it" - since obviously you are not interested in argumented discussion about reps, but want to push some private agenda, and I really have nor time nor interest in participating in such discussions ... In the end I made one observation based on tone and names-calling in your first post, and if I offended you with that I'm sorry. regards Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
giorgio Posted April 30, 2008 Author Report Share Posted April 30, 2008 @giorgio - Well, I think I must say something here, since I feel I'm being called out here for something I really don't like...obviously you are not interested in argumented discussion about reps, but want to push some private agenda, and I really have nor time nor interest in participating in such discussions ... In the end I made one observation based on tone and names-calling in your first post, and if I offended you with that I'm sorry. First I'd like to clarify that I'm not the one calling you out. I simply responded to a post that cites you as an example. Second, I have no private agenda. This is the second time you've mentioned this, and I don't know why. I do not have a "score to settle" with the collector, as you insist - or anyone else for that matter. Finally, I'd like you to cite this name-calling that you're accusing me of. You claim you made one observation based on name-calling. I don't do that and never have, but I was kicked off the board this weekend nonetheless. If someone here does indeed have an agenda, it certainly is not me. Nice choice of post icon by the way, it shows your level of maturity and sincerity. With that I'll accept your (rather forked and twisted) apology and offer you mine: I'm sorry that you decided to become involved in this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TwoTone Posted April 30, 2008 Report Share Posted April 30, 2008 @Gio I'm not going to set here and take the time to dissect this Thread... Your opening posts were combative... You edited them after my request... You attacked dealers based on assumptions of a Watch that hasn't even been released yet... You were called out on your tone... After multiple request via the Thread and PM, I suspended your account for 48 hours... Your PM's were off for less than 15 minutes... Then you file a PP dispute which we all know is tabu... Now you want to set here and justify your behavior... I need a bucket... TT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
giorgio Posted April 30, 2008 Author Report Share Posted April 30, 2008 It's not my behaviour I'm trying to justify, TwoTone. The thread is here for everyone to read. You obviously didn't kick me for the OP (as you just stated). I only made two posts between that edit and your PM's, and here they are: Just for the record - I do like this watch, and my questions are serious questions. I really do want to know if there is any reason why this must contain a 7750 instead of a DG4813 other than to justify a higher price? Is the engraved rotor really necessary when the resources could be put to better use (e.g. fixing the pearl)? Does the "triple wrapped white gold" really make a difference? Almost every white gold rep I've seen (mostly Rolex) did just fine with polished stainless (even the sandblasted bezel insert on the Yachtmaster). So are these things really necessary, or is it simply a way to justify a $300-400-500+ price tag? Yes they do... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mickey Padge Posted April 30, 2008 Report Share Posted April 30, 2008 Hehe, if you could get kicked for being sarcastic and combative, why the hell was TTK let loose on everybody for so long? Not for me to judge, but I was told to "Let it go" too, I was never told why or what for either.... I did not insult anyone or shout names at people or be abusive, but a clear warning was given to me with no explanation... Just need to know what I did, so I can refrain from doing whatever it was again, as I like it here Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chronus Posted April 30, 2008 Report Share Posted April 30, 2008 Thank you. I understand that Pt and PD are in the same group, and so is Ni. Plating steel with either one of the three can yield a very similar appearance to it's corresponding white gold alloy. Nickel obviously being the least expensive and most readily available. Nickel is also the most durable and would be resistant to scratches or fading. The difference being the white gold will eventually wear and take on a yellow hue, while the Pt, Pd, or Ni plate will not. *edit* I have heard that Palladium plating can be done fairly inexpensively, but have no way to verify this. I call that asking questions and having a discussion, I apologize if you or anyone else believed that I have a problem with the collector. I assure you that this is not the case. The collector stated the watch was in the prototype stage, meaning that corrections/adjustments might still be possible. Best regards. Nickel puts me right out on this one... i have a nickel allergy ! (and also why i prefer titanium, but it also looks cooler ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
giorgio Posted April 30, 2008 Author Report Share Posted April 30, 2008 Nickel puts me right out on this one... i have a nickel allergy ! (and also why i prefer titanium, but it also looks cooler ) The nickel allergy is becoming quite common these days. My dermatologist says that many cases of eczema can be attributed to an undiscovered nickel allergy (sometimes the reaction occurs between the fingers or on the tops of both hands, but not at the contact site) I guess you don't have a lot of steel watches then? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mickey Padge Posted April 30, 2008 Report Share Posted April 30, 2008 Nickel puts me right out on this one... i have a nickel allergy ! (and also why i prefer titanium, but it also looks cooler ) Me too! My skin reacts very badly to nickel, more so in hot weather etc.... Would it be the same with this alloy I wonder? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chronus Posted April 30, 2008 Report Share Posted April 30, 2008 Gio and Mickey... yes had this nickel allergy a while... can get pretty bad. I can tolerate steel watches over the colder months, but in the summer it's not a good idea, so out comes the PAM36, titanium SMPs, IWC AMGs etc... having said that, i have on the 036 today ! I tend to keep the plastic on the caseback of steel watches so it's not always so bad. Now if only there was a readily available titanium PAM194 and IWC Aquatimer Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chronus Posted April 30, 2008 Report Share Posted April 30, 2008 Me too! My skin reacts very badly to nickel, more so in hot weather etc.... Would it be the same with this alloy I wonder? Most SS has nickel in it, genuine Rolex SS is even worse in terms of nickel content, I think! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mickey Padge Posted April 30, 2008 Report Share Posted April 30, 2008 Most SS has nickel in it, genuine Rolex SS is even worse in terms of nickel content, I think! I never knew that! You know you can still get the titanium IWC GST chronograph? I purchased one through ioffer with "shir". That is one sweet watch, swap the DW's for ETA and you are set! Oops this is moving OT Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
giorgio Posted April 30, 2008 Author Report Share Posted April 30, 2008 Most SS has nickel in it, genuine Rolex SS is even worse in terms of nickel content, I think! True - the 904L Rolex uses is something like 25% nickel. But I read somewhere that most of their watches (i.e. bracelets and casebacks - not cases) are now made with 316L because of nickel problems (either Nickel shortage, or customer allergies - can't remember now) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave123 Posted April 30, 2008 Report Share Posted April 30, 2008 Must feel like your back at Sr.,TT..... Gotta love these threads,where is my popcorn.... Oh,The King looks good,i need something close to the size of my SA for a backup watch,will be giving Josh my business on it as usual.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chronus Posted April 30, 2008 Report Share Posted April 30, 2008 I never knew that! You know you can still get the titanium IWC GST chronograph? I purchased one through ioffer with "shir". That is one sweet watch, swap the DW's for ETA and you are set! Yeah I have that watch... got a genuine dial to put in it too... I got it a while ago. Great watch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mickey Padge Posted April 30, 2008 Report Share Posted April 30, 2008 Yeah I have that watch... got a genuine dial to put in it too... I got it a while ago. Great watch Ah sounds sweet! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balosch Posted May 3, 2008 Report Share Posted May 3, 2008 Just found a big flaw: gen: rep: ...look at the minute-markers!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
giorgio Posted May 3, 2008 Author Report Share Posted May 3, 2008 Just found a big flaw: look at the minute-markers!!! and the "SWISS MADE" Shhhh!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Balosch Posted June 29, 2008 Report Share Posted June 29, 2008 Any news on this??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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